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Outside Job: Seven Answers to Jim Fetzer’s Seven Stupid Questions – ‘No Planes’? No Brains! July 15, 2011

Posted by The Prodigal Son in 9/11, Jews, Lies & Propaganda, New World Order.
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Keep making jokes there Leibowitz. Laugh it up funny man…

I read all of the headlines at What Really Happened every day (when I can)…

I know that the guy who runs the site is anti-Christian but he’s just anti-religion altogether; he’s an atheist. Since he seems otherwise to be a fairly smart fellow, I just assume that he had some unpleasant experience (as I’m sure we all have had) with some weirdos calling themselves “Christians,” and that experience has closed his heart and mind to the Truth (for now anyway). I take any commentary of his appropriately; with a grain of salt…

I’m there for the headlines and the links anyhow  - not his commentary. And sadly, in this world now there are more people like him than there are people like me.

I was once a lot like him – so I try not to hold it against him. As St.Paul says, “those who are outside (of the Church) God judges.” Plus a lot of the stuff on his site is submitted by others there… It’s about the news for me – not Mike Rivero.

Anyhow, the other day on his site I saw the following headline: ‘Inside Job: Seven Questions about 9/11′, and clicking on it brought me to the website of some hippy-looking character named Bob Tuskin. Here’s the site and the article in question:

Seven (STUPID) Questions About 9/11

It’s written by somebody calling themselves ‘Jim Fetzer’ and I don’t know who he is (supposedly he’s a professor of something or other), but he is obviously either a disinformation agent or a moron – so I really don’t even care.

Now when I first read this tripe, my first thought was: “Why was this garbage posted on WRH?” Later, going back I realized that I hadn’t noticed that it was tagged ‘COVERUPS/DECEPTION/PROPAGANDA’.

They were good tags; accurate tags… I just hadn’t noticed them. I hope no one else innocently clicked on the same link and believed any of the bunk there without seeing those tags… but I have to think that if I missed the tags, some others probably did as well. If the person who posted it reads this – may I humbly suggest that in cases like that, the headline itself should trumpet the fact that the story is crap so no one is misled.

There are already enough ‘No Plane-ers’ and ‘Mini-NUKE-ers’ and proponents of Judy Woods’ ‘Directed Energy Space Beam Weapon’ garbage out there… We don’t need to create any more! So let’s be clear:

The following article is BUNK!

‘Seven (STUPID) Questions About 9/11′

As a former Marine Corps officer (1962-66), who spent his 35-year career offering courses in logic, critical thinking, and scientific reasoning to college students, it troubles me when my government appears to be lying to the American people. On this 4th of July, therefore, I want to share with you some of the questions that have arisen in my mind about the events of 9/11, which have been used to justify wars in Iraq and Afghanistan at enormous cost in lives lost and resources expended. I don’t claim to have all of the answers, but here are some of my questions—seven for the 4th of July!

(1) The early explosions

In their study, “Seismic Proof: 9/11 was an inside job”, Gordon Ross and Craig Furlong (one an engineer, one a numerical analyst) present evidence that there were enormous explosions in the subbasements of both of the Twin Towers prior to the impacts of any planes on those buildings. They used extremely reliable data from a geological laboratory run by Columbia University and radar and FAA data to come to the conclusion that those explosions occurred 14 and 17 seconds before those planes hit the towers:

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My first question, therefore, is how were those 19 Islamic terrorists able to arrange these explosions, which drained the water from sprinkler systems that would have otherwise extinguished the rather modest office fires that remained after the jet fuel was consumed in those spectacular fireballs? I have given this a lot of thought and I can’t figure out how they did that.

(2) The impossible entry

We have all seen the footage of Flight 175 hitting the South Tower, which is the only reasonably distinct video coverage we have of any of the four plane crashes. There are plenty of copies of the Michael Hezarkhani video, which was taken more or less from the side, and still others of the Evan Fairbanks video, which was taken looking straight up the side of the South Tower. I have been puzzled, when I have taken a closer look, the plane actually enters the buildings without crumpling, without losing its wings or tail, and with no bodies, seats, or luggage falling to the ground. Here’s what I mean:

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The problem I have is that, as a student of physics in high school and college, I learned that the impact of a moving plane impacting with a stationary building should create the same effects as those of a moving building impacting with a stationary plane. We would not expect a car crashing into an enormous tree to disappear into the tree. My question is, absent the suspension of the laws of physics on 9/11, how could this occur?

(3) The sizing problem

Perhaps because of my military background, I have found the Pentagon attack of special interest. The Department of Defense originally released five frames instead of any of the more than eighty (80) videos that would have captured exactly what happened. Although three of those videos have subsequently been released, none of them shows more about the crash than those original five, four of which show the spectacular fireball, the other the somewhat obscure image just above the gate mechanism that is conveniently labeled “plane”. It looked too small to me. So I asked a friend of mine—who is better at these things than am I—if he could size the image of a Boeing 757 to the tail shown in the frame that the Pentagon had released:

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Imagine my surprise when it turned out that Flight 77 should have been more than twice the size of the plane in the Pentagon’s own frame. So my third question is, why isn’t the plane in the image the size of a Boeing 757?

(4) The lack of debris

Although many Americans are unaware, the hit point on the Pentagon is on the ground floor. There is a hole about 10’ high and 16-17’ wide, which is surrounded by a chain-link fence, two enormous spools of cable and a pair of cars, where there are unbroken windows beside and above the opening. What we do not see is an enormous pile of aluminum debris, broken wings or the tail, bodies, seats or luggage. Remarkably, not even the engines were recovered from the crash site—although a part of a compressor, which was too small to have come from a 757 and too large for a cruise missile—was later reported to have been found. Even more striking to me, however, is this photo of the civilian lime-green fire-trucks as they extinguish the fires:

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Since these fire trucks arrived after the crash and spent fifteen minutes or so putting it out, I have been struck by the clear, green, unblemished Pentagon lawn. It looks so smooth, I expect Tiger to appear with his caddy to practice his game. My question, therefore, is, why is there no debris on the lawn?

(5) The planted fuselage

Later, of course, debris would start showing up. Since there was none even as the fire trucks were extinguishing the fires, it has to have come from somewhere. It would have been difficult to have had officers and enlisted men carry pieces of debris out onto the lawn without being observed, so it has occurred to me that perhaps it was dropped from a C-130, which was circling the Pentagon that morning. That’s my best guess. I am open to other possibilities, but I haven’t been able to think of real alternatives. One piece of debris has been used to cement the case for the crash of Flight 77:

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One of the oddities about this debris is that it shows no signs of having been exposed to those fireballs and includes a piece of vine. Another student of the Pentagon, James Hanson, a newspaper reporter who earned his law degree from the University of Michigan College of Law, has traced that debris to an American Airlines 757 that crashed in a rain forest above Cali, Columbia in 1995. “It was the kind of slow-speed crash that would have torn off paneling in this fashion, with no fires, leaving them largely intact.” My question is, how did this piece of fuselage wind up on the Pentagon lawn?

(6) The dumpster fires

As though that were not disturbing enough, I was also puzzled why, later in the day, when rumors were circulating that the Capitol might be next and the members of Congress rushed out onto the steps of the building, when they looked across the Potomac, they witnesses billowing black clouds of smoke. That struck me as rather odd, since the lime green fire trucks had put out the modest fires long ago. When I took a closer look, I discovered that these black clouds of smoke were not coming from the Pentagon itself but from a series of enormous dumpsters in front of the building. See what I mean:

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When I was still living in Duluth before my retirement in June of 2006, another student of the Pentagon came by and showed me forty-four (44) more frames of the same thing, where you could actually see light between the dumpsters and the building. So my question is, why was it necessary to fake fires coming from the Pentagon if a plane had actually crashed there?

(7) The absence of interest

Since I have been unable to discover the answers to questions like these—where I actually have many more—it has dumbfounded me that nearly ten years after the fact, the mass media, including The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Los Angeles Times, CBS, NBC, ABC, and CNN has shown no interest at all in addressing them. Here are three examples of why it seems to me these questions should be burning issues in every major media outlet in this country, where we are confronted only by silence:

(a) Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, the Co-Chairs of the 9/11 Commission, have long since published WITHOUT PRECEDENT: THE INSIDE STORY OF THE 9/11 COMMISSION (2006), in which they explain their frustration at the lack of cooperation from the administration, citing especially the fact that the Pentagon provided three different accounts of the events of 9/11, not a very reassuring indication that they got everything right. And this report is not from a “conspiracy theorist” but from the co-chairs of the 9/11 inquiry.

(b) A former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State in three administrations, Dr. Steve Pieczenik, has revealed not only that Osama bin Laden actually died on or about 15 December 2001 (as David Ray Griffin, OSAMA BIN LADEN: DEAD OR ALIVE (2009) explained), but that he had been told by a high-ranking general that 9/11 was a “false flag” attack, which was done by the government in order to arouse the American people to support wars of aggression in Afghanistan and Iraq. And this guy earned his Ph.D. at MIT.

(c) And Alan Sabrosky, who earned his Ph.D. at the University of Michigan and is a graduate of the US Army War College, has explained that 9/11 was conceived by neo-cons in and out of the Department of Defense who wanted to advance the proposals of Project for the New American Century by taking advantage of the demise of the Soviet Union to expand the power of the sole remaining superpower by creating an empire around the world, but worried that Americans would not support those wars absent “a new Pearl Harbor”.

Now I cannot claim to know for certain that what we are being told by Lee Hamilton, Thomas Kean, Steve Pieczenik, and Alan Sabrosky is true. I can tell you that it is consistent with my own research and that of others with whom I have been in collaboration since founding Scholars for 9/11 Truth. In case you may think that I am one of those “conspiracy theorists” myself — where I have done a lot of research on JFK as well as on 9/11 — just ask yourself whether my six questions deserve answers and why the American media has been ignoring them in the land of the free and home of the brave!

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Ahem!

So, of course I had to reply to that… just one problem: the Hippy (Jew?) Bob Tuskin deleted my comment/reply on his site. Fucking puke he is!

So I’ll post it here. Sadly, I wouldn’t be surprised if more people go to his site than mine (being titled ‘Christ Conquers’) but oh well… At least I’m getting it off my chest. Here it is:

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This is disinformation! Every single point!

I too am disappointed that WRH has linked to this drivel, and in the Intel Hub for giving this misdirection a platform.

The ‘Jewish state’, dual-citizen Jews in the US gov’t and a few of their paid Goyishe stooges pulled off the FALSE-FLAG attacks on 9/11.

Period. Anyone saying otherwise is a LIAR or a FOOL. Either way they don’t deserve a platform to spread their nonsense.

’9/11 Missing Links’ is the only film about that day that people need to see.

Missing Links

Click on ‘Watch Movie’ at link above.

NO MORE LIES!

As for Mr. Fetzer’s Seven Lies… My responses:

1. This is the least offensive to the truth (which is probably why he led off w/ it) but it’s still a little misleading because 14 and 17 seconds is pretty much a negligible difference. If there were huge bombs in the basements of the towers – they were likely Israeli truck/van bombs. This is what the evidence shows.

At least 4 other vanloads of Israelis were arrested that day. One had traces of explosives:

urban MOving SystemS incorporAteD: Mossad Front

(This is the one with the ‘Five Dancing Israelis’ – Google it), another van had actual explosives, one actually EXPLODED after it was pulled over, and one had a mural painted on the side depicting a plane diving into NYC. Also Google ‘urban MOving SystemS incorporAteD’. Watch/listen to this:

So if there were explosions, the other evidence from that day suggests that their source was the same as the above cases of explosives being discovered that day: Israeli Jewish agents!

2. As has been pointed out – trees are solid. The twins were virtually hollow (you know – the space where the offices and people were). How much does a 767 weigh? Oh, about 400,000 (four hundred thousand) lbs.

How fast were the planes going at impact? Oh, about 550 mph… Do the math and you’ll see that this mass traveling at this velocity would have no problem slicing through the 1/2″ (half-inch) thick box-tube perimeter columns.

As for the wings & why they didn’t fall off in the street… Well the wings are where the fuel is stored! Each wing fully loaded weighs about 100,000 (one hundred thousand) lbs! So 200,000 lbs of wing traveling at over 500 mph would also have EASILY sliced through the perimeter columns of the twins.

No Plane made this plane-sized, plane shaped hole? Yes, that is a person.

It’s all camera trickery – Nevermind how the columns got bent inwardly!

3. The Pentagon security cam footage is as seen through a fisheye lens. This distorts the image and like the rear-view mirrors on your car – makes it appear smaller.

A video which demonstrates this (and the whole crash) visually:

Enough with the ‘No Plane’ nonsense already damnit!

4. Selectively showing far off photos with no debris only proves that you’ve avoided the dozens and dozens of photos which DO show debris. Even the second photo YOU provided DOES show debris strewn all over (oh, but it was dropped from another plane – forgot).

And if the plane was traveling North at over 500 mph – then why would you expect to see debris to the South? Conservation of momentum says most of the debris would also continue – that’s right: Northward.

Mr. Fetzer admits that the plane hit the ground floor but lies about the size of the impact hole saying it was less than 20′ wide! This is pure BS!

Here are a couple of clear shots of the more than 100′ (one hundred+ foot) wide hole in the Pentagon:

(Click on an image for full-size view.)

The 20′ wide hole is on the 2nd floor and was made partially by the tail section and the slight downward tilt of the plane.

5. This is ridiculous. It’s really not even worth a response (yet here I am responding to it).

The plane crash debris was dropped from another plane? Come on Fetzer!

10 Ha Ha Ha

20 goto 10

Run

6. The garbage dumpsters are on fire… I wonder if the 20,000 gallons/200,000 lbs of flaming kerosene had anything to do with that?

Also ridiculous. This is BS disinformation! Stop it!

7. And you wonder why no one is interested in this BUNK?

You’re giving 9/11 truth a bad name… You’re trying to make us all look stupid and you appear to be doing it on purpose.

You better stop it! Enough!!

Also note how at the end of his tripe ‘article’, he does a little name-dropping, trying to associate his name and his bunk with a couple of the better known names of more legitimate people. Nice try Fetzer!

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†IC XC†

†NI KA†

Comments»

1. 正教会の智 - July 19, 2011

“What Really Happened” is Jew-Trash.

The Jew Rivero works in Hollyjewed and in Talmudvision. His biggest income source over the past few years was his work on the Jew-Masonic trash-fest “Lost”.

The Jew Rivero:

“Jesus was part of an extended family. The Bible says he had brothers and sisters. Some churches try to spin that these were only cousins, or Joseph’s from a previous marriage …

“For the purpose of this discussion, we do not need to go into the question of whether Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married and had a family.”

+ + +

Fetzer’s another Anti-Christian moron. He says Jews have no significant disproportionate influence in the US, especially not in universities — “I’ve seen no evidence of that.” He was brought to prominence by Alex Jewns.

2. 正教会の智 - July 19, 2011

The Jew Rivero:

“Using methods similar to those police have developed to solve crimes, British scientists, assisted by Israeli archeologists, have re-created what they believe is the most accurate image of what the historical Jesus looked like.” :

More Jew Nonsense

3. Mike - July 19, 2011

So Jesus looked like a caveman? LOL I guess all the icons and descriptions of Him over the millennia don’t mean anything– it’s all “European propaganda”. In spite of the fact that people were drawing and describing Him prior to a predominantly European Christendom.

The Prodigal Son - July 19, 2011

I’ve already addressed all of this at the top of the page because I knew it was coming. I couldn’t care less what Rivero has to say about Christians or Jesus Christ. I would likely have said the same stupid shit myself ten years ago.

It’s an entirely natural consequence of all the fake “Christians” here in the West, and the nonsense that they spew. Personally I feel blessed to have been able eventually to see through all of the nonsensical garbage that is thrown at us as representative of what Christianity is. But for the grace of God I would never come to the truth. The Jesus Christ I once rejected wasn’t the real Jesus Christ… but a false, strawman “Jesus” set up for me to knock down – but I didn’t know that at the time. This is the “Jesus” which Rivero rejects… I say who can blame him?

If all you knew of Christianity came from – oh, say Jehovah’s Witnesses – then you wouldn’t be a Christian either.

He admits the Jewish hand behind 9/11 and he seems to know what’s up w/ the Holocaust BS, which he is not scared to post (or allow to be posted) on his site. So he is not a typical Jew in that sense, in other words: he’s not covering up and perpetuating their lies but helping to expose them. I even saw today that he left a comment on Ernst Zundel’s (wife’s) page @ Veterans Today written in German, addressed to the German people advising them to DUMP the Jew state. This is not typical Jew fare… Doesn’t he deserve some credit here?

If I were to confine myself to interact only with those who agree with me on everything – I would have to move to Mt. Athos. I would say that numerically there are far more anti-Christian ‘Gentiles’ in the world than there are anti-Christian ‘Jews’… as a matter of fact – I know that’s true. They are completely; absolutely unavoidable.

I read the headlines on his site (which, as I already said are for the most part provided by others anyhow)… I take what I want and I leave the rest. That’s all there is to it.

4. Marcus - July 20, 2011

Fucking puke he is!”

You can feel the radiance of Christ’s love for all mankind shining through such lines……

5. Mike - July 20, 2011

I totally understand.. I wasnt implying that Truth isn’t Truth because someone that believes something crazy or heretical states it. I was solely commenting on that horrible portrait of ALLEGED Jesus Christ.

The Prodigal Son - July 20, 2011

Back to talk AT me some more are you Marcus?

You can feel the radiance of Christ’s love for all mankind shining through such lines…”

Yeah, probably similar to the way the moneychangers felt His love when He whipped them out of the Temple with a scourge and overturned their tables.

You’re kind of a fucking puke yourself Marcus… you know that don’t you? You’ve rudely ignored people here who have tried to engage and converse with you. How about you acknowledge someone when they try to speak to you. Otherwise just feck off right?

This is what you’re starting to sound like to me Marcus:

The Prodigal Son - July 20, 2011

I totally understand.. I wasnt implying that Truth isn’t Truth because someone that believes something crazy or heretical states it. I was solely commenting on that horrible portrait of ALLEGED Jesus Christ.

I agree… it’s been done that way on purpose clearly. They’ve obviously gone out of their way to make the face as “scientifically ugly” (asymmetrical, etc) as possible. Really though… would it make any difference to my salvation even if He did look like that? It’s inconsequential I think, ultimately. At least they don’t try to say that He never even existed at all like so many idiots today do.

I was actually addressing Akira there though, not you Mike.

6. Mike - July 20, 2011

Ole Marcus jumping into the fray again with his sharp wit! :) Please “Holy Marcus”: enlighten us boorish dolts on your version of emasculated, Judaized, effeminate Christianity….

7. James Fetzer is a Misinfo Troll - July 21, 2011

I also read WRH every day and was surprised that Jim Fetzer piece of crap made it through. It was also highlighted on VT for some strange reason.

This is a guy who discredited himself years ago trying to hijack the truth movement with ‘science’ using his self-created scientific method which he admits is as follows: He comes to a conclusion and then looks for evidence to support it. He did the same thing years ago with JFK conspiracies and he also discussed ‘misinformation’ and ‘critical thinking’ at length. Perhaps he is trying to give us a hint while being a troll at the same time.

No planes? GTFO

BTW – Fetzer has been on Fox News. Noticed that Rupert Murdoch’s agencies are ramping up a PR campaign against questioning 9/11 now that the 10th anniversary is coming up. He’s likely on Murdoch’s payroll. Fetzer also writes his own Wikipedia article. Read the talk page on it. Funny stuff

8. James Fetzer is a Misinfo Troll - July 21, 2011

Nice debunking by the way (debunking Fetzer’s BS)

In the Pentagon surveillance pic he cut off the edges to ‘hide’ the fact that it was a fisheye lens. Also, the plane is entering on an angle, something he doesn’t account for at all. I know there are still truthers who believe there wasn’t a plane at the Pentagon, but they’ve all been tricked. That theory was the first piece of deliberately planted disinfo to make us look bad. It has become like a religion though, people believe it for some dumb reason.

The real perpetrators are trying to hide behind misinfo and nonsense so people don’t go asking questions. What they should be asking is why was Dominick Suter, an Israeli Mossad agent, on a list of terrorists years after 9/11? He was the owner of Urban Moving Systems, the company which also had the 5 dancing Israeli Mossad agents who were arrested in vans with explosives “working” for them.

Fox News (of all people) ran a story in late 2001 by Carl Cameron where he quoted a federal agent as saying:

Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It’s classified information.”

That’s an admission. We have evidence linking Israelis to 9/11 but it’s classified. Jewish Israeli Mossad agents killed 3,000+ Americans on 9/11/2001.

The Prodigal Son - July 21, 2011

Jewish Israeli Mossad agents killed 3,000+ Americans on 9/11/2001.”

Yes, and so far they’ve gotten away with it.

Fetzer also writes his own Wikipedia article.”

Well, that tells the story right there then doesn’t it?

Someone else wrote Mike Rivero’s page and when he tried to edit the stupid things that were on there – he was not allowed to do so because (they told him) he is not a recognized expert on ‘Mike Rivero’! Can you imagine? But Fetzer’s right in there with them eh? Why am I not shocked?

(The no plane at the Pentagon) theory was the first piece of deliberately planted disinfo to make us look bad.”

Yes. That was done primarily by the Jews that made ‘Loose Change’ and hang around (Goyim sitting) Alex Jones. Why anyone would let those punks spoon-feed them garbage is beyond me. If you watch ‘Loose Change’ you see that they (like Fetzer) try to represent the damage to the second floor as the entire hole that the plane made, purposely showing photos which omit the first floor from view…

So you would think that as soon as someone else shows you the 100′ hole in the first floor (where the plane actually impacted) that ‘Loose Change’ had purposely hidden from you; misleading you – you’d think that you’d be angry and cease to listen to the clowns that just tried to (or actually did) dupe you… But no. People still go to Jonestown and pass their “theories” and videos around. Where is the logic in that? It’s people like this that we really don’t need, and that we need to distance ourselves from.

I think this is happening now to some extent. The litmus test is Jewish/Israeli involvement…

Alex Jones says:

Folks, I’ve done the research! Israel could not carry out these attacks!”

Right… 19 Arabs with a cave as a command-center could do it but the “Jewish state” (recipient of over $3 BILLION in American “aid” annually) couldn’t?

It’s very frustrating you know? There are so many examples of Israelis using fake/stolen passports to pretend that they were Arabs (or Whites) when they did their dirty deeds, one certainly couldn’t count them on both hands and both feet… to me it’s like how could anyone not make the connection with 9/11?

I think there must be a good portion of people that know exactly what happened. They like this outcome because they are quite happy to see Muslims being slaughtered by the million. These folks dislike (in general) anyone who has brown/black skin. These folks are genuinely terrified of Muslims because they’ve been made that way by the Jewish/Zionist dominated mainstream media. They’ve never actually met or interacted with a real-life Muslim – but still somehow they are expert in all things Islam. Don’t get me wrong – I’m no fan of Islam either (because it’s a lie that keeps people from Christ Our Truth)- but I do not think we should be slaughtering them day and night for no good reason because the truth is: they haven’t done anything to us and they really couldn’t even if they wanted to. They would not have attacked us on 9/11 because they would have known that to do so would mean serious retaliation.

Fox News (of all people) ran a story in late 2001 by Carl Cameron”

Yes, Cameron and Brett Hume I believe. But ol’ Murdoch soon got it removed from Fox’s website… completely wiped with the message: ‘This story no longer exists.’

Luckily someone downloaded and saved it all before that happened… now it’s been downloaded and copied countless times by countless people… No putting this genie back in the lamp:


9. Marcus - July 24, 2011

Rather comical Prodigal Son, I initially had some respect for the fact that even when you disagreed with comments you posted them as they stood. Bearing in mind your constant resort to the victim card with regards to a certain forum this smacks very much of one domestic utensil with a low albedo saying the other one, ‘You appear to be black mate.’

I was banned from http://orthodoxchristianity.net for talking about Jews specifically and 9/11 peripherally. I don’t know
what’s going on over there as far as administration or why I was banned and I don’t even care anymore – though I was there long enough to know that many of them are actually Jews or have Jewish ancestry.

True… for a given value of truth. What you are omitting is the fact you were banned for refusing moderator direction and then banned for using numerous accounts as sock puppets.

You have no idea that many of them ‘are actually Jews’. That’s simply sour grapes and a resort to ‘they are part of this insisdious group. I know it’s true cos they said my point’s was wrong and disagreed with me’, type logic.

They’re over there… framing every debate, turning every mention of Jews or Judaism into slanderous accusations of hate and antisemitism, same old, same old, blah blah blah. I’m sick of it. So if there’s a thread over there that I want to respond to – I’ll just transfer it over here and reply to it on my own damned forum. My NON-Judaized forum… Can you feel that? Jew censorship free atmosphere in here my dear!

Well yes certainly one or two posters were framing every debate in a certain style. We tend to see what we want to after all though and what reflects our interests. And every mention of Judaism did not descend into accusations of hate by any means.

The Prodigal Son - July 24, 2011

I’ve replied to you HERE Marcus…

This is the end of this thread here. As you would say, it’s not censorship – it’s “Moderatorial Direction”.

10. The Prodigal Son - August 15, 2011

What Has Happened To Veterans Today?

By Anthony Lawson

For some years now, Jeff Rense has been kind enough to host my videos and a few of my articles, and several other websites have followed Jeff’s example, including Veterans Today, with whom my relations have been equally cordial, up until a few weeks ago when the notorious James Fetzer suddenly appeared out of nowhere, as a contributor, dredging up the almost-laid-to-rest No-Planes-in-New York theory.

This is the 9/11 conspiracy theory that the mainstream media cannot get enough of, because it allows it’s well-paid lackeys; commentators and comedians like Glen Beck and Bill Maher to ridicule the entire 9/11 truth movement as being made up of foil-hatted nutters who think that thousands of New Yorkers must have been hypnotized or drugged into thinking that real planes actually hit the Twin Towers, when they were really holograms or computer-generated images in a made-for-TV spectacular.

The theory has been thoroughly debunked, but some logic-challenged diehards still cling to it, and a few others, with sinister agendas, use it as the thin edge of their disinformation wedge to keep a lot of people from taking the basic step from a state of: Our-government-could-never-have-been-involved-in-something-like-that, to the conclusion that terrible things of gigantic proportions could not possibly have happened the way that the world was told they happened on that dreadful day: September 11, 2001.

As the 10th anniversary draws closer, the disinformationists are cranking up their propaganda machines to try and divert attention away from the really serious issues such as:

How could WTC 7, a 47-story building suddenly collapse, at 5:20 that evening, virtually in its own footprint when it had not been hit by an aircraft, and when the falling-debris and fire damage could not have been serious enough, or more importantly, evenly spread enough for that building to fall as though it had been brought down by a controlled demolition?

WTC7 ­- ‘This is an Orange’:

Of course, there were other anomalies of monumental proportions which will never be properly understood unless access is given, to unbiased investigators, to whatever small amounts of the WTC buildings remain in storage, or that can be exhumed from their hurried burials in a land-fill on Staten Island.

Just the action of spiriting away as much of the evidence as possible, including the jet-engine core that fell out of the South Tower, constituted a series of criminal acts known as tampering with the evidence; literally burying evidence relating to the deaths of then, almost 3,000 people, which figure has now risen well above that level because of the illnesses that can be directly connected to the dust from the Towers, which contained tons of cancer-inducing asbestos.

For some, this heinous crime lives on as they approach their own deaths in the certain knowledge that they have been lied to, marginalized and virtually forgotten like the victims of the so-called collateral damage, brought about by the three wars that this yet-to-be-solved crime was the excuse for. Millions of people killed in Afghanistan and Iraq and the victims of the War on Terror are on the rise, with false accusations of involvement in planning acts of terror, and there will also be an equally sinister fallout as the after-effects emerge of increased exposure to full-body X-Ray scans at airports, and anywhere else these lethal machines might be placed to fill the coffers of those who manufacture them. And all because of a gigantic pack of government lies about who was responsible for 9/11.

And now, Veterans Today, which once seemed to pride itself on trying to present honest, well-researched articles on all kinds of issues, is knowingly hosting a person who surrounds his no-planes-in-New York arguments with a bodyguard of lies. Lies about facts; lies about the people he regards as experts, and lies about what he claims those who challenges him have said or written, in the past. One example is all that is necessary.

James Fetzer, originator of the website “Scholars for 9/11 Truth”, once hosted a radio discussion about the speed of the plane that hit the South Tower during which one of his favorite “experts” was thoroughly debunked by two experienced pilots as knowing nothing about such flying matters, but whom James Fetzer still claims is an aerospace engineer and now claims that he developed a non-existent airborne safety system. In Fetzer’s own words:

“Joe Keith, for example, actually designed the shaker system for Boeing, which is used to determine when a plane is going to come apart in flight.”

(Please note, this has nothing to do with the stick-shaker, stall-warning system that has been around since the 1960′s.)

There is no such system that determines “when a plane is going to come apart in flight,” and this has been pointed out to James Fetzer and the editorial board of Veterans Today, which includes Gordon Duff and Dr. Alan Sabrosky, in an e-mail written three days ago. Far from anyone showing concern, I have only heard from Gordon Duff, who has been critical of me for keeping the “dispute” going.

Dispute? There can be no dispute, the statement was untrue, and James Fetzer will not retract it. However his latest bit of reasoning shows a degree of arrogance that is bordering on a belief in his own infallibility:

“But since I believe everything I am saying and have no intention to mislead anyone, I am not lying.”

Members of the alternative media, including the staff and contributors to Veterans Today are constantly criticizing the mainstream media for telling lies and twisting the truth to fit the agendas of those who control it, so I would like to ask who is now controlling Veterans Today, which allows a provable liar to continue to make false claims about an “expert” he is constantly quoting to back-up his thoroughly debunked No-Planes-In-New York theory? He has also made a number of serious accusations about what I have written and said, which I can prove are not true, so shouldn’t Veterans Today be asking:

What else is he lying about? Perhaps more importantly: What does he actually know about the subjects he pontificates on?

But of paramount importance: How can anyone trust the veracity of anything else published by Veterans Today, if they continue to ignore the totally provable accusations of one of its own, hitherto, trusted contributors? Me.

–Anthony Lawson

lawson911@gmail.com

http://www.youtube.com/user/alawson911

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Only fools believe what they are told, when it is clear that much else is being hidden.

From HERE

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(Note: I do not agree with the notion that any other plane besides Flight 175 hit the South Tower… There was simply NO REASON not to use the real plane – which, along with the 65 people on board had to be GONE. The simplest explanation is the one that’s most likely to be true, and any plane switching, etc just makes things way more complicated than they need be.)

11. Jim Fetzer - May 30, 2012

“Seven Questions about 9/11″ had everything right, but I have done a lot more on these issues since then. (By the way, you need to read “9/11 and the Neo-Con Agenda” and “Is 9/11 research ‘anti-Semitic?” before you draw some of your absurd conclusions.) Neither Gordon nor I is Jewish, but what if we were? Einstein and Freud were both Jewish: does that mean they were wrong about relativity or the role of the unconscious in affecting human behavior?

You have not even defined “NPT”, which means “No ‘Official Planes’ Theory” or “No Big Boeings Crashed on 9/11″, where we know that Fllights 11 and 77 were not even scheduled that day and that the FAA did not deregister the planes corresponding to Flights 93 and 175 until 28 September 2005. So how can planes that were not in the air have crashed or planes that crashed have still be in the air four years later? Plus you need to visit Pilots for 9/11 Truth.

By research on ground/air communications, Pilots have discovered that Flight 93 was in the air but was over Champaign-Urbana, IL, at the time it was supposed to be crashing; and that Flight 175 was also in the air but over Pittsburgh, PA, at the time it was supposed to be entering the South Tower. So Flights 11 and 77 were not even in the air and whatever, if anything, crashed in Shanksville or effortlessly entered the South Tower, they cannot have been Flights 93 or 175.

NPT maintains the following four propositions: (1) Flight 11, which was not even in the air, did not hit the North Tower; (2) Flight 77, which was also not even in the air, did not crash in Shanksville; (3) Flight 93, which was in the air but over Champaign-Urbana, IL, at the time, did not crash in Shanksville; and (4) Flight 175, which was also in the air but over Pittsburgh, PA, at the time, did not hit the South Tower. Q.E.D. I think you need to get a grip. Your lunatic ravings about Gordon and me have no more foundation than your bizarre denial of NPT, which I have already proven here to be 9/11 truth.

The Prodigal Son - May 30, 2012

‘Seven Questions about 9/11′ had everything right…”

So modest!

Neither Gordon nor I is Jewish, but what if we were?”

Duff is indeed a Jew. I wouldn’t believe it coming from you anyhow, considering your track record; your penchant for BS.

And what if you were? Seriously? If you were a Jew – then you’d be far more likely to lie through your teeth to defend your fellow Jews from exposure. It called controlled dissent… but you already know that don’t you? Your job is to throw people off the trail; to get people to believe the whoppers you have mixed in with wee tidbits of truth.

People now know that the Jewish state was behind the mass-murder of 9/11… so you’re trying to make those people repeat your BS so that they too will come off sounding like complete dummkopfs, thereby discrediting anything they might say about Jewish state involvement in the false-flag attacks of 9/11.

Einstein and Freud were both Jewish…”

Einstein was a plagiarist. Freud said that everyone secretly wants to have sex with their own mothers and fathers. Both advanced the Jewish NWO agenda. ‘Nuff said.

You have not even defined ‘NPT’ ”

Allow me to rectify that…

‘NPT’ = mis/disinformation, sheer stupidity.

There.

Everything else you wrote here is just more sophistry and lies to further muddy the already murky waters… The only truth in what you’ve written here was “Flight 77… did not crash in Shanksville”.

I think you need to get a grip. Your lunatic ravings about Gordon and me have no more foundation than your bizarre denial of NPT, which I have already proven here to be 9/11 truth.”

Strangely though, you feel the need to reply to my ‘ravings’ (somehow without actually replying to anything I said). And you haven’t proved anything professor.

12. Jim Fetzer - May 30, 2012

This is rather incredible. I even suggested that you visit the web site for Pilots for 9/11 Truth, where you can find their studies establishing that Flight 93 was over Champaign-Urbana, IL, at the same time that it was supposed to be crashing in Shanksville, PA, and that Flight 175 was over Pittsburgh, PA, at the same time that it was supposed to be effortlessly entering the South Tower, and you are ranting re whether Gordon and I are JEWISH?

I am a former Marine Coprs officer and retired university professor who spent 35 years offering courses in logic, critical thinking, and scientific reasoning. I came here to let those who may stumble over you web site know that the evidence supporting NPT, when it is properly understood, is abundant and compelling. There is a case to be made that one of us is demented, but it ain’t me. Do you think anyone in the world takes your gibberish seriously? I hope not.

The Prodigal Son - May 30, 2012

You can find their studies establishing that Flight 93 was over Champaign-Urbana, IL, at the same time that it was supposed to be crashing…”

Yeah… and? I can also find ‘studies’ ‘establishing’ that WTC Building #7 collapsed in perfect symmetry due to office fires. That doesn’t make any of it actually true.

You are ranting re whether Gordon and I are JEWISH?”

Ranting? Hardly.

You made a special trip over here to tell me that Gordon Duff and yourself are not Jewish.

I said (matter-of-factly) that Duff is indeed a Jew. Therefore you:

  1. Have no idea what you’re on about… OR
  2. Are a liar

I am a former Marine Coprs officer and retired university professor who spent 35 years offering courses in logic, critical thinking, and scientific reasoning.”

Well then I feel for your students because (assuming you’re not just a baldfaced liar & disinformation artist) your own logic and critical thinking are clearly and sorely lacking.

And you still haven’t replied to anything I wrote which is pertinent to the topic at hand here – which is whether a plane hit the Pentagon or not.

I know you’ve seen all of the evidence which soundly contradicts your asinine claims… but you selectively ignore it and that speaks volumes about you and your motives now doesn’t it professor?

Enough with the ad hominems… put up or shut up. I’ll not have you spreading your falsehoods here.

13. The Prodigal Son - August 24, 2012

The latest from Fetzer… Mixing truth with lies in the comments section at Veteran’s Today:

Fetzer Mixes Truth With Lies

Fetzer Lays It On Thick

HERE

14. The Prodigal Son - October 20, 2012

Here is proof that Fetzer is lying (or ignorant)…

Here, in the following audio Gordon Duff admits that he has a Jewish mother. According to Jews – if your mother is Jewish then you are Jewish.

Go to the 41:30 minute mark and you’ll soon hear it from the horse’s mouth.

The Heretics Hour – August 2011

Hence, Gordon Duff is indeed Jewish, ergo Fetzer is proved false.

15. Jim Fetzer - October 20, 2012

Here is what I presented in Seattle…

[SNIP]

Jim Fetzer

The Prodigal Son - October 20, 2012

I don’t care what you presented in Seattle.

Both you and Gordon Duff have been proven liars and likely disinformation agents by yours truly on this site.

I won’t have you disseminating your poison pills here.

16. James H. Fetzer - October 20, 2012

Several of the articles to which I linked to contradict your repeated and false claim that I have not been identifying the role of the Jewish state in 9/11. But then you pretend to be an intellectual when you are no more than a mere grotesque imposter.

The Prodigal Son - October 20, 2012

Sorry you’re wrong yet again Fetzer. Never once (here or anywhere) have I said anything about you denying the Jewish state role in the 9/11 murders (you guys are ready for that one eh? Just repeat, repeat, repeat right?).

Oh sure… People like you and Duff will tell folks little truths about the Jewish hand in 9/11 (things everyone already knows)…

But then you’ll drop your poison pill in there. You sneak your “NO PLANES” nonsense and your “RUSSIAN CRUISE MISSILE hit the Pentagon” crap in there.

You can keep all of that shite to yourself buddy. No one’s buying it around here.


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