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Does Jesus the Christ Really Exist? – Evidence For the Historical Jesus of Nazareth May 2, 2010

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Many people these days are woefully ignorant and terribly steeped in ‘Jewish’ (Pharisaic) anti-Christian Soviet-style atheist propaganda. They think that they’re clever, educated and wise… but in reality they barely know their left hand from their right! They walk in darkness – having yet to receive the love of the truth… the truth being that Jesus Christ is the Saviour of the world; that Christ IS THE TRUTH!

If I had a dollar for every time I’ve heard someone say, “Jesus never even existed! 

How can you believe in fables and myth?”, I would be so rich – I would be able to single-handedly finance Br. Nathanael @ Real Zionist News! (See link under ‘My Favorites’ → )

People have no problem believing in the historical existence of say… Genghis Khan or Julius Caesar with very little evidence. But when it comes to the person of Jesus, all of a sudden they will refuse to admit that He is a real person Who really exists!  Why? Well, because they’ve been brainwashed with atheist nonsense since they were toddlers! 

This despite the fact that there is actually plenty of evidence from non-Christian sources! There is literally more evidence for Jesus Christ than there is for someone like Julius Caesar! Here are some of the testimonies and sources from the ancient past which attest to the reality of the Christ:

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1. Flavius Josephus (approx. AD 37-101) mentions Jesus – Antiquities, Book 18, ch. 3, par. 3…

Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call Him a man; for He was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Judeans and many of the Hellenes. He was [the] Christ.

And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned Him to the Cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake Him; for He appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning Him.

And the tribe of Christians, so named from Him, are not extinct at this day.”

2. Flavius Josephus (AD 37-101) mentions James, the brother of Jesus – Antiquities, Book 20, ch. 19…

Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrin of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, Who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, [or, some of his companions]; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned: but as for those who seemed the most equitable of the citizens, and such as were the most uneasy at the breach of the laws, they disliked what was done.”

3. Tacitus (A.D. c.55 – c.117, Roman historian) mentions “Christus” who is Jesus – Annals…

Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace.

Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.”

4. Pliny the Younger mentioned Christ. Pliny was governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor. Pliny wrote ten books. The tenth around AD 112…

They (the Christians) were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to God, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food – but food of an ordinary and innocent kind. (Eucharist)”

6. Gaius Suetonius Tranquillas, chief secretary of Emperor Hadrian (117-138 AD)…

Because the Judeans of Rome caused continous disturbances at the instigation of Christus, [Claudius] expelled them from the city.

After the great fire at Rome [during Nero’s reign] … Punishments were also inflicted on the Christians, a sect professing a new and mischievous religious belief.”

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Jesus and His blessed Mother are also mentioned (albeit blasphemously) in the anti-Christ ‘Jewish’ (Pharisaic) Babylonian Talmud – which dates from approximately the third century AD. If Jesus had never existed – then there would been no-one for the anti-Christ ‘Jews’ to speak of (derisively or otherwise)!

Likewise the Muslim Qu’aran mentions both Jesus and His blessed Mother, the Virgin Mary… They deny His divinity and the Trinity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit, but they at least affirm His existence.

Strangely enough… but also proving my point here is the fact that in the early days of Christianity NO-ONE  denied the divinity of Jesus Christ – it was His HUMANITY  that was denied!

In other words – everyone from the beginning of His Church on earth fully believed that He was the Son of God – God incarnate… It was His humanity that was denied by the heretics back then! They just couldn’t wrap their heads around the fact that He is fully God… AND fully man.

 

“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.”

– John 1:14

 

†IC XC†

†NI KA†

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1. john kaniecki - May 5, 2010

Hi hope you are well.

A long time ago I went all over the proofs of Jesus existence. In addition I learned a lot about apologetics. I learned how to argue against evolution. How the claims made in this so called science were far from exact. I read Josh McDowell’s the Evidence Demands a Verdict. I read a couple of philosophy books. I even took a course in apologetics and went over post modernism.

I can say that these learnings of mine were useful to the extent that they confirmed my faith. That is no glaring area condemned the teachings of the Bible. For example for a long time the Hittite Empire was believed not to exist and thus so called experts discredited the Bible. Later on archeologists discovered it and the objectors were silenced. Contrast this to the Book of Mormon which names many cities that have supposedly existed. Yet there is not proof of any of these ever being there. Not one phyiscal shred of evidence has ever been produced.

However I feel after all is said and done it is the gospel of Jesus Christ that will attract people. Perhaps I could win an argument with an aethiest but that really does not accomplish much. If an aethiest cannot look at nature and see God’s testimony Psalm 19, Romans 1:20, then they are in a state of denial anyway.

I would like to encourage you in your work and compliment you on a job well done in this post. But ultimately it is God’s Love and the knowledge and revealing of that both in Word and deed that will win converts to Christ.

Love,

John Kaniecki

The Prodigal Son - May 5, 2010

Hey John,

Good to hear from you again!… I hope you and your family are doing OK following your loss.

In the Eastern Church, there has never been the same dichotomy between faith and science as there has in the West.

We feel that good science only serves to verify God’s glory, actually helping to prove the existence of God.

We know that the Bible is not a science textbook… We also understand that the Bible did not fall from the sky complete in its present form – rather Godly men and prophets from various points in time were inspired to write by the Holy Spirit.

But this doesn’t mean that every single word is infallable… The prophets and writers all brought certain aspects with them from their own particular times and understandings of our world.

The point is – the Bible is about the revelation of God… not the revelation of science & biology.

We know that scientific ‘truths’ are routinely updated with the passage of time. What was scientifically ‘known’ 500 years ago is not the same as what is ‘known’ today, and 500 years from now many things which science has ‘proven’ will be updated and a new ‘reality’ will come into being.

If evolution is true – it takes nothing from the truth of God and His revelation to man and His relationship with His people Israel in the Bible. (Israel being the New Covenant Church & the Old Covenant faithful – NOT the genocidal, anti-Christ so-called ‘Jews’ currently occupying Palestine!)

Mormonism is a LIE, and I wouldn’t be at all suprised if the so-called ‘Jews’ were behind it somehow. There are many good, well meaning people who are Mormons… but they are sadly deceived. They are certainly not Christians!

I agree with you about arguing with the atheists… I was just banned from some fool’s blog for trying to prove to him that Jesus Christ is the truth. He then proceeded to write an article about my fellow Orthodox Akira and I, apologizing to his ‘regular readers’ (all four of them) for our presence. He actually called us ‘viruses’, insinuating that we were insane for witnessing to the truth – our Lord Jesus Christ on his website!

What a waste of time!

The truth is this:

“For the message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.”
– I Corinthians 1:18

God bless! †

2. John Kaniecki - May 5, 2010

Hi hope you are well.

Genesis contradicts evolution. You can’t have it both ways.

No the Bible isn’t a science manual or a geography or a history book. But when it touches on those areas it is accurate.

Regarding the Bible being infallable I would say it is as it is the Word of God.

Love,

John Kaniecki

The Prodigal Son - May 5, 2010

Hey John,

Sorry I didn’t reply right away… I didn’t think you’d get back that quickly!

Is the “Church of Christ” what you would call ‘fundamentalist’? In other words – do you take every single word of the whole Bible literally?

That’s how the Muslims are with the Qu’aran… They believe every single word was dictated by God directly to Mohammed. Not even one single syllable can be wrong.

I know that some people who call themselves Christians think very much this way also… They believe the Word became paper!

We Orthodox Christians believe the Word became FLESH.

The Church has never believed that every single syllable of the Bible is infallable. The Bible was not written by God nor was it dictated word for word by God. The Bible was written by Holy men through time who were inspired by the Holy Spirit…

Listen to these podcasts… They are narrated by Fr. Thomas Hopko – who is Dean Emeritus of St. Vladimir’s Orthodox Theological Seminary in New York… He can explain this much better than I can:

Darwin & Christianity – Pts. 1-9

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Part 4

Part 5

Part 6

Part 7

Part 8

Part 9

This following series is also a good listen, which fully explains what I mean… It’s called ‘Search the Scriptures’ by Presvytera and Dr. Jeannie Constantinou, goes through Genesis step-by-step. (The oldest episode is last, most recent is first):

Search The Scriptures

God bless you John!

3. john kaniecki - May 6, 2010

Hi hope you are well.

A literal translation is obviously incorrect. Take the statement of Jesus being the lamb of God. A literal translation means Jesus is a furry animal.

1 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but Holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them “These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fufilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms concerining me.” These words are spoken by Jesus.

There are more scriptures I could give. But basically the Bible was written by man and the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit together. Also one must understand that thinks aren’t literal, for example the book of Revelation. Are those beasts coming out of the sea actual physical monsters? I think not.

However the prophets through inspiration wrote about Jesus. This is shown in other New Testament scriptures besides the one in Luke that I gave you. For example Psalm 22 and Isaiah 53. I believe the authors did not know the signifigance of what they were writing or it’s fufillment.

As we have discussed before and have agreed that scriputre, apostolic example and tradition constituted the doctrine of the early church. However we disagreed when I contended that scripture takes presidence. For example we disagreed on whether a bishop should be married and the fact that bishops or elders are always in position in numbers greater than one. I pointed out 1Timothy and Titus and you referred back to your tradition. Also it is clear from scripture elders must be married and have children. At least to me.

The problem is that over the past two thousand years the Church has gotten away from the early church. You would contend that the Orthodox Church has not. I would contend that it has and I would make such an assessment from doctrinal points in scripture.

The Church of Christ attempts to get back to the original intent of the church Jesus established. Christ only established one church. Names such as baptist, methodist, lutheran etc. are nowhere to be found in the Bible. Adherence to scripture is broken in the use of these unBiblical names and in other areas such as how to be saved.

Love,

John Kaniecki

The Prodigal Son - May 6, 2010

Hey John,

Thanks for the reply… I do hope you’ll listen to those podcasts. I think they’ll make a lot of sense to you.

I absolutely agree that the Old Testament speaks of, and points to Jesus. This is the whole purpose to all of the Scriptures… To demonstrate that God made the universe; God made the earth; God gave all things life and to this day we gain life through the work of God, His Holy Spirit and His Son – Jesus the Christ.

In the beginning, man fell through rebellion from God… The Bible shows us that God came to rescue us from the death that Adam & Eve brought into the world. Through His Son and through our obedience to Him we are restored to life.

You said, “As we have discussed before and have agreed that Scripture, apostolic example and tradition constituted the doctrine of the early church.”

Yes, but when you speak of ‘Scripture’… what does it mean to you? What did ‘Scripture’ mean to the Apostles who handed down their example and gave the Church its tradition?

To the Apostles – ‘Scripture’ meant the Old Testament! The Apostles and the early Christians did not have a nicely bound book called ‘The Bible’ the way we have it today… they had nothing but the Old Testament!

Not only that – but they did not have the Masoretic O.T. Scriptures found in almost all Bibles today… they had the Greek Septuagint! The Masoretic (anti-Christ Pharisaic rabbinical) O.T. texts used today in most English Bibles dates from around 1000 AD! That’s 1,000 years AFTER Christ & His Apostles walked the earth!

The Septuagint however, was set in Greek approximately 250-300 years BEFORE the Christ came… I’m sure you know that the New Testament Gospels and epistles were all also written in Greek. In those days – following Alexander the Great, Greek was the universal language in the civilized world… much in the same way that English is today.

Therefore – when the New Testament speaks of the ‘Scriptures’… it refers to the Old Testament Scriptures and particularly the Greek Septuagint.

My point being… when discussing the early Church – they never had the New Testament!

So the Church existed for quite some time BEFORE there even were any New Testament Scriptures. The ultimate authority rested with the leaders of the Church who had been appointed by the Apostles – not with the Scriptures.

In the earliest days of the Church, the terms ‘Bishop’ and ‘Elder’ were interchangable… An ultimate Bishop as they exist today as overseers of a group of Churches is a new development since the time of the New Testament writings…

Presbyters (Elders) in the Church today are married! It is only in the Roman papist communities today that priests are celibate… And it is with the Romans that the accompanying resulting problems are most prevalent.

And as I stated the last time we discussed this… the admonition was for them to have ONE wife – as in not MORE than one. Polygamy (having multiple wives) was fairly widespread in those days among the Pharisees, etc., so the Church was declaring that the leaders were to have NO MORE than one wife. That still stands today, and the reason our society in general is opposed to polygamy is a result of the influence of the early Church.

You say, “The problem is that over the past two thousand years the Church has gotten away from the early church. You would contend that the Orthodox Church has not. I would contend that it has and I would make such an assessment from doctrinal points in scripture.”

I would reply that your contention is contradictory to the words of Christ!

“However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.”
– John 16:13

“And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.”
– Matthew 16:18

So how is it possible that the Church has “gotten away” when the Holy Spirit has been present to “guide her into all truth”? Did Christ lie?

Likewise, Christ’s promise that the gates of Hades would never prevail against His Church means that the Church which He built on Peter’s confession that He was the Christ has ALWAYS been here!

It seems that according to your assertion, you believe that the Church existed in the beginning… then went away for more than 1,500 years – only to return with the advent of the ‘Church of Christ’! Can’t you see the contradiction there?

You say, “The Church of Christ attempts to get back to the original intent of the church Jesus established.”

This is commendable, and may God bless you all for that, but as you also said, “Christ only established one church.”

That ONE Church has always been present here on earth… All you have to do is figure out which one fits all of these criteria – and join that ONE Church!

I also found these podcasts, which interview some fine folks who came from various communities – including the ‘Church of Christ’, who found their way home to that ONE Church… A great listen and some wonderful testimony!

Listen to all 6 parts on this page:

True Convergence

God bless you John!

With Love in Christ,

4. John Kaniecki - May 6, 2010

Hi hope you are well.

Regarding the Church of Christ it existed in England long before the reformation. I get this from an English brother who has quite an extensive knowledge in history.

There is also the concept of the early and latter rains.

Unfortunately I have no audio to listen to the podcasts to.

Love,

John Kaniecki

The Prodigal Son - May 6, 2010

Hey John,

Too bad you don’t have speakers for your computer… Perhaps you could listen at a friends house?

Or if you had an MP3 player – maybe you could just download them onto memory at a library or an internet cafe, then listen later?

They really are good listening… I’m sure you’d enjoy them.

You said, “Regarding the Church of Christ it existed in England long before the reformation. I get this from an English brother who has quite an extensive knowledge in history.”

Hmmm… Really? I thought that the ‘Churches of Christ’ were a result of the ‘restoration movement’ as part of the ‘reformation’? The ‘reformation’ obviously came after the protestant movement.

I’m not doubting you… I’m just trying to understand. Is this your group?

Churches Of Christ

Can you tell me more about “early & latter rains”? I’ve never heard of that…

Thanks!

5. John Kaniecki - May 7, 2010

Hi hope you are well. The Alexander Cambell/Barton Stone movement was something inspired by the Holy Spirit. As I mentioned in England the Church of Christ was there for quite a long time.

They question then becomes what is the Church of Christ? The answer is anybody that obeys the Word of God. Not to be broad as that is a general claim, let me be perfectly clear. We believe that adults baptized by immersion in water for forgiveness of sins enter into a covenant relationship with Jesus and are at the moment ‘born again’ and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38, Romans 6, among others. Thus if there were people in prison, (and this has happened) that wanted to come to the Lord they could be reading the Word of God come to this conclusion.

Certainly the so called ‘sinner’s prayer’ does nothing for salvation as that it is a man made doctrine. Not once do you see any example of a person in the book of Acts or elsewhere where a person uses the ‘sinner’s prayer’. However every conversion in the book of Acts has baptism present, with the exception of Apollos who’s details of conversion are not there. In fact the ‘sinners prayer’ is not even mentioned in the Word of God.

Regarding the early and latter rains. James 5:7 “Be paitent therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord, Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long paitence for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.”

The Church began in Acts 2 on the day of Pentecost. This is also known as the harvest of the ‘first fruits’. There is another harvest which is the feast of booths or feat of tabernacles (I will have to check the name). This is the final harvest at the end of the season. Thus after Pentecost until today the following happened. At Pentecost, the first harvest many souls were added, consequently the Church died down and became very small, but did not perish, and was always somewhere on the Earth. Remember the Church of Christ membership is determined by correctly following scripture to get in. John Hus and the Anabaptists are a couple of names to research their beliefs. However now we are close to the second harvest at the end of time. Thus we are seeing the emmergence or flowering of the one Church that God has established.

Love,

John Kaniecki

The Prodigal Son - May 7, 2010

Hey John,

You said, “The Alexander Cambell/Barton Stone movement was something inspired by the Holy Spirit.”

How do you know? Every one of the over 33,000 denominations out there I am sure would all say the same thing!

If they were all inspired by the Holy Spirit – then they would ALL believe and teach the SAME things!…

“For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the Churches of the saints.”
– I Corinthians 14:33

You say, “As I mentioned in England the Church of Christ was there for quite a long time.”

Oh? How long exactly? What year was it founded?

IS this your community?:

Churches Of Christ

You say, “The question then becomes what is the Church of Christ? The answer is anybody that obeys the Word of God.”

Yes, but the Word of God as according to WHOM? Again, all 33,000+ Protestant denominations sincerely believe that they are in adherance to the Scriptures!…

It is my position that they are ALL wrong!

You mention adults specifically as if you exclude children from baptism… Why?

The New Testament details the baptism of entire families and households. In the days of extended families, and before birth control or contraceptives – do you honestly believe there weren’t children in those households?

“Then they brought little children to Him, that He might touch them; but the disciples rebuked those who brought them. But when Jesus saw it, He was greatly displeased and said to them, ‘Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of God. Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it.'”
– Mark 10:13-15

Children have no problem believing! A child’s faith is the strongest there is! If you as a father tell your child the truth that Jesus is the Son of God – they will believe UNQUESTIONINGLY!

There is far more to the New Covenant than baptism alone… Baptism is only the first step!

“Jesus answered, ‘Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.'”
– John 3:5

The New Testament records the happenstance of those who had believed… but that their belief alone was not enough to receive the Holy Spirit… Also recorded are those who both believed and were baptized – yet still did NOT receive the Holy Spirit!

The Holy Spirit is received normally immediately after baptism through the laying on of hands by a priest. This is the importance of Apostolic succession… How can someone pass along the Holy Spirit if they themselves have not received the Spirit from someone in a direct line traced back to the Apostles – who had themselves received the Holy Spirit from Christ personally?

Early and latter rains (I thought you were referring to some new movement or something) simply refers to the pattern of rainfall in Palestine.

You say, “At Pentecost, the first harvest many souls were added, consequently the Church died down and became very small”

But the book of Acts says, “And the Lord added to the Church daily those who were being saved.”
– Acts 2:47

The Apostles went out preaching to all the nations, and the Lord ADDED DAILY to the Church… So how do you figure the Church “died down”?

You say, “Remember, in the Church of Christ membership is determined by correctly following scripture…”

But as I already explained to you above… The Church existed and flourished long before there were ANY New Testament writings!

And again, I would point out that every denomination thinks that they ARE “correctly following Scripture! Who decides what’s “correct” and what isn’t?

By the way… does your religious community practice fasting?

6. John Kaniecki - May 8, 2010

Hi hope you are well.

We had a brief discussion on our differences before. I think at this time it would be unprofitable for us to scrutinize what seperates. I know in my mind the difference is significant as it is in yours. The scripture that I read at my mother’s funeral was from the Book of Ecclesiastes where it talks about a time and season for everything. So I am not ignoring engagement but putting it off for a time and season.

I have worked with people of different faiths in different aspects. I feel that close association is one good proof of belief. One can speak clever and convinincing words but to see one in action is another matter alltogether.

The world is literally being destroyed. The oil spill in the Gulf Coast if my Native American friends are correct could destroy all the wild life in the ocean. This is of course a worse case scenario.

In my future time I am going to get very active in evangelizing, opposition to the war and a couple of local matters. I would rather discuss things between us.

May God bless you. I hope you put your links on other blogs as this would bring participation of others. I hope in your role as moderator you would both be tolerant and gentle to others.

Love,

John Kaniecki

The Prodigal Son - May 8, 2010

As you wish John…

I am a firm believer that there is a difference between calm, amicable discussion between friends and argument.

I could ‘engage’ you here for a month straight, and it would never bother or upset me. The last time we got into all of this was on Job’s blog… so I was trying to be respectful to him in not taking up too much space in his comments section with off-topic discussion – but this is MY blog; space is no issue here.

You say, “One can speak clever and convinincing words but to see one in action is another matter altogether.”

I agree with this completely… but I hope you don’t think that my words are empty. I endeavour to tell the truth John… that’s all!

As someone who only recently came to the truth of the Orthodox faith, it’s been difficult for me; and I’ve had to go it virtually (save for my online friends) alone.

As a man who holds Orthodox beliefs – I can’t just go to any ‘church’… Indeed to go to a Heterodox gathering is actually detrimental and completely discouraged.

I think if you would visit an Orthodox Church and let the priest address your questions – you would join us…

As I’m sure you know, Orthodoxy in North America is largely unknown… Most people haven’t even heard of it. Those who have heard of it just lump us in with the papists, and dismiss us for that reason. Therefore Orthodox Churches are few and far between.

Here where I live, it was a 3 hour drive to the nearest Orthodox Church! In the very recent past, the only Churches were those which consisted of ethnic communtities of immigrants from Orthodox nations such as Russia & Greece.

Luckily for me, (and thanks be to God!) a new Church just opened 10 minutes from my house! This is a predominately Ukrainian congregation who had been (unbeknownst to me) conducting services in a local funeral home! They have just acquired a new building – what was previously a ‘Christian science’ community that went belly-up.

Our God is a God of wonders!

You said, “The world is literally being destroyed.”

“And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever.”
– I John 2:17

As for your evangelizing… remember that those who teach will be held to a higher account in the end. Make sure what you tell people is the truth.

May God also bless you and yours… I do hope you’ll continue to visit me here!

7. John Kaniecki - May 8, 2010

Hi hope you are well.

Conversation is difficult in forums like this. What I think is perfectly clear may be misconstrued by others. The comments of convincing words was not directed to you but others in the general sense. Actually I was thinking of the deceiver, that is Satan. I know we both agree there are multitudes of false gospels out there.

I do not know the best way to begin these discussions. I always saw these blogs as a way to state my beliefs to the general public. That is my words on my blogs are a testimony to humanity in general.

Let us then lay down the ground work. Who is Jesus? How does He save? Why is there but one way to Heaven? And what is His Church like?

Begin anywere you like. However let us be clear that we have different core beliefs. Myself I believe in the 66 books of the Bible as the sole word of God. You believe in the books but additional teaching such as the ones you’ve posted here.

Let our discussion begin and let us do our best to do it in a Spirit of humilty, gentleness and Love. Let us not back away from the Truth while at the same time not devouring one another.

Love,

John Kaniecki

The Prodigal Son - May 10, 2010

Ah, I’m glad you came back John!

Sorry I didn’t reply sooner… I was putting together my newest entry.

Before we get into the things you asked… let’s go back to my questions to you which remain unanswered…

You said, “The Alexander Cambell/Barton Stone movement was something inspired by the Holy Spirit.”

How do you know?…

You say, “As I mentioned in England the Church of Christ was there for quite a long time.”

Oh? How long exactly? What year was it founded?

IS this your community?:

Churches Of Christ

You say, “The question then becomes what is the Church of Christ? The answer is anybody that obeys the Word of God.”

Yes, but the Word of God as according to WHOM? Again, all 33,000+ Protestant denominations sincerely believe that they are in adherance to the Scriptures!…

You say, “At Pentecost, the first harvest many souls were added, consequently the Church died down and became very small”

But the book of Acts says, “And the Lord added to the Church daily those who were being saved.”
– Acts 2:47

The Apostles went out preaching to all the nations, and the Lord ADDED DAILY to the Church… So how do you figure the Church “died down”?

You say, “Remember, in the Church of Christ membership is determined by correctly following scripture…”

Who decides what’s “correct” and what isn’t?

By the way… does your religious community practice fasting?

Thanks

8. john kaniecki - May 11, 2010

Hi hope you are well.

I have inquired from a brother in England name Keith about the history of the Church of Christ in England. The getting small of the church took place after the apostles died and the subsequent persecution.

Let us start talking about salvation. One must know about Jesus before they can be saved. Romans 10:17 faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.

The first major difference then would be the Orthodox practice of infant baptism. The concept of original sin is not in the Bible. Rather the idea that mankind has fallen into a sinful state and that all men, except Jesus have sinned. And the wages of sin is death. Romans 3:23 Romans 6:23 Romans 5:12 and on.

I will await a response.

Love,

John Kaniecki

9. John Kaniecki - May 11, 2010

Hi hope you are well.

Try this link:

Traces Of The Kingdom

Love,

John

10. themadjewess - May 14, 2010

Prodigal Son,

Isn’t it hard…considering you hate the Jews so much, to know, absolutely, that Jesus was a Rabbi? He was called “King of the Jews”

So, I wonder, because of this, will you stay prodigal forever?

The Prodigal Son - May 15, 2010

MadKhazar,

I don’t hate anyone… period.

Rabbi means ‘teacher’… Jesus was called ‘Rabbi’ because he was a teacher.

All of the anti-Christ so-called ‘Jews’ who are called ‘rabbi’ today are actually nothing more than modern-day Pharisees!

If you’re trying to insinuate that Jesus is a Pharisee – that’s not going to hold water around here!

The sign that was nailed to Christ’s cross actually read (in Greek, Latin and Hebrew): ‘Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Judeans’ but…

“(…) the chief priests of the ‘Jews’ (Judeans) said to Pilate, “Do not write, ‘The King of the Jews,’ but, ‘He said, “I am the King of the Jews.”‘”
– John 19:21

The Pharisees rejected Christ their King (Who is King of ALL and Saviour of the world)… and still do to this day.

Thus, the ‘Jews’ reject their King – which is why they call themselves ‘Jews’.

As for me – my prodigal days are in the past… Now I’m trying to find my way home.

11. themadjewess - May 15, 2010

“All of the anti-Christ so-called ‘Jews’ who are called ‘rabbi’ today are actually nothing more than modern-day Pharisees!”

So, God made YOU the grand Poobah of *ALL* of the Jews? BS.

Many Jews love God, the only REASON they cannot see your FAKE ‘faith’ is b/c you are too busy making sure they dont hear the truth about the Gospel.

You are too busy on INCOGS blog pointing out the Jew this, and the Jew that – but you are not ‘filled with hate?’ MY A$$.

12. The Prodigal Son - May 15, 2010

MadKhazaress said,

“So, God made YOU the grand Poobah of *ALL* of the Jews?”

No… God made Jesus the Christ King and Saviour of EVERYONE – including the so-called ‘Jews’.

“Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”
– Acts 2:36

‘Jew’ is not a race – ‘Jew’ is an anti-Christ religion. So-called ‘Judaism’ is nothing other than anti-Christ Pharisaism.

There is no Israel without Christ as King.

I never talk about ‘Jews’ at INCOG’s or elsewhere… I talk about FAKE ‘Jew’ imposters – such as Khazars like you. The only thing that holds so-called ‘Jews’ together as ‘Jews’ is their unified rejection of Christ and His Church.

13. John Kaniecki - May 15, 2010

Themadejewess,

Hi hope you are well.

Welcome to the blog! I certainly appreciate some company here.

I’ve know Prodigal for a while via internet, so I know a little of where he is coming from.

I too have a problem with Jews, but please let me elaborate. It is not the authentic Jew. That is a Jew who restricts himself to the Old Testament. I have problems with the Talmud and I have problems with Jews who serve the god of Mammon. Of course many who claim to be Christians also have man made creeds and the serve the god of Mammon.

I do not view Judaism like the Muslim religion. I reject the Koran as the devil’s work, as I do the Talmud. I know that there are many types of Jews and so to label them all as one would be wrong.

By the way what are you mad about?

Love,

John Kaniecki

The Prodigal Son - May 15, 2010

Hi John…

I guess the link you gave me was supposed to answer my questions?

The site makes a lot of assumptions which amount to great leaps of logic with no evidence for their truthfulness.

You reject the verifiable ever-present Apostolic traditions of Christ’s one true Church – but you have no trouble following the latertraditions of the ‘church of Christ’ with NO REAL EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER!

Their narrative begins in 1000 AD, and willingly claims antiquity through fellowship with known heretics!?

The simple fact is this John: You accept the Scriptures – but you reject the Church from whence the Scriptures arose.

You reject Holy Tradition, which was given to the Church by the Apostles… but Scripture came forth from the very Tradition you reject.

In the beginning, at Pentecost… the Church had NO Scripture except for the Greek Old Testament (Septuagint)! In the beginning of the Church (and for quite some time) all the Church had was Holy Apostolic Tradition!

It wasn’t like today – with Bibles readily available to everyone… There was NO New Testament as we now know it!

There were no printing presses… Individual Gospels and epistles were kept by the Churches. If a copy was made – it was copied by hand at great expense! Even simple things like paper & ink were hard to come by in those days, and Bibles as we know them (as a nice neat collection of all of the separate books) were completely non-existent!

Early Christians did not have Bibles – so to suggest that there were Christians in the beginning who adhered only to the New Testament is frankly RIDICULOUS because there was no complete New Testament as we know it until the second century; the canon was not finalized (BY the Church you reject) until the fourth century.

Check these out…

On Holy Scripture

On Holy Tradition

On the Presuppositions of Our Personal Salvation

The New Testament

14. themadjewess - May 15, 2010

Nasty said: “MadKhazaress said…”, FIRST of all, I don’t like being called a “Khazar”, probably b/c I am a PORTUGUESE Jew, a Crypto/Marrano-Jew, so that makes me a friendly person to CHRISTIANS.

John: I have both faiths as a part of my life. BUT, I don’t believe that Jews should try to hide, so, my blog is “The Mad Jewess” so I am not seen as a deceiver – I believe incorporating both faiths is the best way to be, since there is a completion in it.

As far as the Talmud, it is a book of folklore, imo. I don’t cater to fable. I believe in God, the Great I AM, the Alpha & Omega, the Beginning and the End., the First and the Last. I don’t need no stinkin Talmud :D It is enough to believe in ONE God.

***I do, however, thank you for your kindness. I rarely find “Love John” on Christian blogs.

I am angry because I have lived near these satanic leftists all my life, and that is hard, when you see everything they do is just straight up evil. But, because I am a Joooo, I must be ‘with’ them, even though my blog is probably the most candid, putting down of evil Jews on the whole net, to the point where I have been cut-off from my own people.

I see evil and I have to stand against it. God is mad and I am with him.

15. John Kaniecki - May 15, 2010

Hi hope you are well.

You see the Scriputres developed during the infancy of the Church. Once the Church was established they had the scriptures. From what I understand about the Bible being canonized was that they recognized what was being used as opposed to selecting books for the Bible.

The truth of the matter is that you can not guarentee that your Orthodox tradition goes back to the Apostles without heresey. After all the Roman Catholic church makes the same claim. However I can verify the early Greek Scriptures.

Madjewess,

Hi hope you are well.

Yes I think God is well. Wholesale condemnation of any people is wrong. It is always the wrong ones who get persecuted and killed.

I think I’ll check out your site when I have a free moment. What are your ideas on what Prodigal and I are discussing?

Love,

John Kaniecki

16. themadjewess - May 15, 2010

“It is always the wrong ones who get persecuted and killed.”

Right.

Prodigal needs to get that Bolshevik-Jews are the anti-Christ. They hate Israel too, they hate their own people, they hate Jews that are Orthodox, and persecute Messianics, they are a nitemare. I deal with these terrible people on a daily basis.
The reason that you wont see many Christians hating “Zion”ism, is because in the Christian faith, Jesus is the cornerstone of Zion.

Prodigal also needs to see that the Jew AND the gentile are responsible for killing and crucifying Jesus. Most of the people that followed Jesus, were JEWS.

He then says: I talk about FAKE ‘Jew’ imposters – Khazars like you.

Judging me. I am not an ‘imposter’ nor am I a Khazar. I am a conservative God-fearing person, as are many of my friends, that are comprised of Jews AND Christians. I guess I am not supposed to feel any spiritual connection to Israel either, b/c that makes me a traitor.

Online persecution to a female is just as bad as physical, and one day, God will ask these persecutors of mine;
“Why Do You Kick Against The Goads?”
I am one of God’s children, I belong to HIM, and anyone should SEE that, just by looking at my website, I HATE Evil, even if it is my own people. I am a righteous person.

John, I am sure that you are a nice person, all that I can do is hope that you can reach Prodigal, “Cannibal Rabbi”, “Marshall” and all of the others on that blog, they think that ALL Jews are evil, and I am NOT.

Oh, John you really ARE right about the wrong ones getting killed and persecuted.
Soros is everyday proof.
oops.. :D

Here is my favorite song, we only have ONE chance in life to love people OR rebuke them if needed, b/c they could be gone tomorrow.

Blessings John, you ARE loved by God, THAT is evident.

17. The Prodigal Son - May 17, 2010

Hi again John,

Sorry again for my tardiness in replying to you… There just aren’t enough hours in a day sometimes! I’ll try to answer all of your questions here. If I miss anything – let me know…

I turned off the ‘threaded’ reply option… just like on Job’s blog – it makes it too hard to find the latest comments. This way the newest replies will always be at the bottom.

I’m going way back…

You said, “Certainly the so called ‘sinner’s prayer’ does nothing for salvation as that it is a man made doctrine. Not once do you see any example of a person in the book of Acts or elsewhere where a person uses the ‘sinner’s prayer’. (…) In fact the ‘sinners prayer’ is not even mentioned in the Word of God.”

I will agree that there is much more to salvation than saying one prayer, as some people think that’s all there is to it. But the prayer itself is very similar to the Orthodox Christian ‘Jesus Prayer’… and it is Scriptural. The Jesus Prayer is just a simple one and goes like this:

“Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.”

See: Jesus Prayer

Now compare that with:

“And when he heard that it was Jesus of Nazareth, he began to cry out and say, ‘Jesus, Son of David, have mercy on me!'”
– Mark 10:47

… And:

“And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!'”
– Luke 18:13

Farther down you asked, “Let us then lay down the ground work. Who is Jesus? How does He save? Why is there but one way to Heaven? And what is His Church like?”

“Who is Jesus?”… Jesus the Christ is the Second Person of the Trinity, eternally born of the Father. He became a man, and thus He is at once fully God and fully man. His coming to earth was foretold in the Old Testament by the Prophets.

I put up the N.C. Orthodox Creed on the main page in the sidebar… Our Creed says (and I fully believe) that…

Jesus Christ is: “the Son of God, the Only-Begotten, Begotten of the Father before all worlds, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, Begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by Whom all things were made:

Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and was made man;

And was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried;
And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures;

And ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of the Father; And He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead, Whose kingdom shall have no end.”

“How does He save?”… Jesus conquered death, trampling down death by entering into death. The wages of sin are overcome through repentance, faith in Him, baptism & the acquisition of the Holy Spirit through the laying on of hands in Chrismation, along with participation in communion with Him in the Eucharist.

Salvation is the divine gift through which men and women are delivered from sin and death, united to Christ, and brought into His eternal Kingdom.

Those who heard Peter’s sermon on the Day of Pentecost asked what they must do to be saved. He answered, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit” (Acts 2:38).

Salvation begins with these three ‘steps’:
1) Repent,
2) Be baptized, and
3) Receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

To repent means to change our mind about how we have been, turning from our sin and committing ourselves to Christ. To be baptized means to be born again by being joined into union with Christ. And to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit means to receive the Spirit – Who empowers us to enter a new life in Christ, be nurtured in the Church, and be conformed to God’s image.

“Why is there but one way to heaven?”… Because Christ said so!

“Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”
– John 14:6

And then there’s this:

“This (Jesus) is the ‘Stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the Chief Cornerstone.’

Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
– Matthew 4:11-12

Seems pretty straightforward to me !

“What is His Church like?”… His Church is first and foremost – Liturgical, Sacramental and tangible … Other than that, it’s probably just easier for you to read about it:

Our Faith

Orthodox Church

You said, “Myself I believe in the 66 books of the Bible as the sole word of God.”

You don’t use the same Bible as we do. Your Old Testament is based on the censored ‘Jewish’ (Pharisaic) canon… Ours is based on the uncensored Christian canon & contains more books, as well as more verses in the books we do have in common:

The Orthodox Bible

On infant baptism:

Scriptural Tradition: Infant Baptism

You said, “The truth of the matter is that you can not guarentee that your Orthodox tradition goes back to the Apostles without heresey. After all the Roman Catholic church makes the same claim.”

The Romans papists have altered the faith once delivered… Orthodox have not! This can be verified by reading the Church Fathers and the Seven Ecumenical Councils. Apostolic succession is dependant on Apostolic faith.

Rome made an unauthorized addition to the N.C. Creed… and it was all downhill for them from that point on. Orthodoxy is Roman Catholicism without the additions and Protestantism without the subtractions.

It’s not like we just have to guess what the early Christians believed… They wrote it down! Read about the seven Councils here, about halfway down the page:

Ecumenical Councils

You also said, “The concept of original sin is not in the Bible.”

The R.C./Protestant concept of ‘Original sin’ is not Biblical… but the truth of it is:

“Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned–”
– Romans 5:12

See: Original Sin – The Curse Of Death

18. The Prodigal Son - May 17, 2010

MadJewess,

You said, “Prodigal needs to get that Bolshevik-Jews are the anti-Christ.”

Nonsense. ALL ‘Jews’ are anti-Christ. That’s why they call themselves ‘Jews’!

The only thing that makes a ‘Jew’ a ‘Jew’ – is their rejection of Christ as the Messiah.

You said, “Prodigal also needs to see that the Jew AND the gentile are responsible for killing and crucifying Jesus.”

Pontius Pilate wanted to release Jesus. He said he found no fault in Him. It was the Judeans who cried, “Crucify Him!, Give us Barabas!”

You say, “I am not an ‘imposter’ nor am I a Khazar. I am a conservative God-fearing person”

You’re not a Khazar? O.K. fine. But if you call yourself ‘Jew’ – then you are most certainly an imposter.

In the Old Testament, the English word ‘Jew’ was transliterated from the word ‘Judahite’, meaning a member of the tribe of Judah.

You are not a Judahite!

In the New Testament the word ‘Jew’ was translated from the word ‘Judean’ meaning a resident of Roman Judea.

You are not a Judean.

And if you were really a “God-fearing person” then you would be a Christian and you certainly wouldn’t identify yourself as an anti-Christ ‘Jew’.

You say, “I guess I am not supposed to feel any spiritual connection to Israel either… I HATE Evil”

First of all – the anti-Christ Zionist entity currently occupying the Holy Land has NO connection with Israel! Israel are the people of God. The people of God are those who do not reject the Messiah… Israel are Christians! Period.

If you really hate evil – then you must be against the murderous, racist, genocidal occupiers of the Holy Land.

19. john kaniecki - May 18, 2010

Hi hope you are well.

You say that the Roman Church has deviated from the Church Fathers. In that statement is the error of your ways!

I go back before the so called ‘Church Fathers’ to the words of the apostles.

Here Paul’s words in Galatians 1:8 “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” Any further teaching must agree with what came before by the Apostles which were with no doubt inspired by God.

If you look at the so called ‘Church Fathers’ I am told you will find no evidence of infant baptism nor use of musical instruments.

Finally just the term “Church Fathers” is a violation of scripture. Mathew 23:9 “And call no man on Earth father upon Earth: for one is your father which is in heaven.”

So these Church Fathers are called wrong, teach without authority and sometimes contradict the Word of God.

Love,

John Kaniecki

20. john kaniecki - May 18, 2010

Hi hope you are well.

Regarding your Jewish visitor I suggest you lighten up! I agree that there are those who are called Jews who worship Mammon over God. However to make a whole sale condemnation of any type of person is wrong. Except in the case of Fascism.

I respectively suggest you reconsider your approach to Jews in general. People are won over by Love and the Word of God not by condemnation. I am not suggesting that we should not strive for a just world. It is just that everyone who wears the name ‘Jew’ is not an enemy. Let their own words condemn themselves.

Love,

John Kaniecki

21. The Prodigal Son - May 19, 2010

Hi again John,

I’m doing fine… Hope you’re doing well also.

The papists have deviated from the Fathers, yes – but more-so from the seven ecumenical councils.

You quote St. Paul’s words: “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.”

But when he talks about what he has preached – he’s talking about what he and the other Apostles had preached in person. The majority of the teaching of the Apostles was done physically in the Churches – not in writing.

I agree with you about musical instruments… The Church has never used any instruments other than the human voice.

Regarding baptism of infants however, I’m sorry but the Church has always performed infant baptism.

“But Jesus said, ‘Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven.'”
– Matthew 19:14

St. Irenaeus (d. 202) mentions that Christ “came to save via Himself; everyone, I tell you, that via Him is reborn in God, infants and children and young and old. For this He came for all ages and became infant for the infants, blessing the infants; *nepios* between the *nepia*, blessing the ones having this age…”
– Irenaeus, MPL, 7,784

[*Nepiobaptism = the baptism of infants. (Also, nepios = the one to whom reasoning has not been developed yet (male structure). Nepion = same thing, but male or female (neuter structure); nepia = plural of nepion.)*]

Origen informs us of the acts of the Church of his time: “The children are being baptised for remission of sins…because (when) one is not clean from filth, the filth he gets rid of via the Mystery of baptism; for this and the children are baptised.”
– Memorandum to Rom. 5:9

St. Cyprian (d. 258) informs us “we are not allowed to deny to any man, who was born, the mercy and grace of God. For, since the Lord mentions in his evangelion that the Son of man did not come to destroy the souls of men, but to save them (Luke 9: 56), it is not allowed, in all that depends on us, for a soul to be lost. For what is missing in the one that was formed in the womb of his mother with the hand of God?”

“If something could stop people from receiving the grace, then the bigger sins would be much more of an obstacle for the grown-ups and older people and old people. If though remission of sins is given to even bigger sinners and to those that in the past had sinned against God many a time and no one is turned away from the baptism and the grace, if he later on comes back, how much less it is allowed to stop a child (from being baptised), who is newborn and did not commit any sin, but has only suffered with the first birth the effect of the old death, because the child, like Adam was born in flesh! This way it can reach to the remission of sins more easily, because there are no personal sins to forgive, only others’ sins.”
– Cypr. Epistle to Fints, BKV 2,273. 275

St. Gregory the Theologian (d. 391), to secure nepiobaptism, mentions circumcision, that was being done on the eighth day after the child’s birth (Gen. 17: 12) and the covering of the doors with lamb’s blood (Exodus 12: 7) and underlines: “We use as an explanation, the eighth-day circumcision, which was a formal stamp and was given to those, to whom reasoning had not yet been developed. Similarly the covering of the doors, which was guarding with the things that could not sense, the first-born”.
– Greg. Theol., Speech 40,28

And also: “You have a nepion? Do not give time to wickedness; baptise it from the infant age, offer it to the Spirit from the age of the tender nails.”
– Greg. Theol., Speech 40,17

Also check out this detailed page on infant baptism, by Fr. John Hainsworth from here on Vancouver Island:

Father John: Infant Baptism

Lastly, regarding the use of the term ‘Father’… a quick search of the Bible for the words ‘father’, ‘fathers’ and ‘teacher’ is enough to show that your interpretation is off!

Do you call your parents your ‘mother and father’? When you were in school – did you call your instructors ‘teacher’?

Look at Luke 16:24, 25…

“Then he cried and said, ‘*Father* Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’

But Abraham said, ‘*Son*, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented.'”

Look at I Corinthians 4:14-17…

” I do not write these things to shame you, but as *my beloved children* I warn you. For though you might have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet you do not have many *fathers*; for in Christ Jesus *I have begotten you* through the gospel. Therefore I urge you, imitate me.

For this reason I have sent Timothy to you, who is my beloved and faithful *son* in the Lord, who will remind you of my ways in Christ, as I teach everywhere in every church.”

“Timothy, my true child…”
– I Tim. 1:2

“Timothy, dear child…”
– II Timothy 1:2

Look at Colossians 3:21…

“*Fathers*, do not provoke your children, lest they become discouraged.”

And what about Acts 22:1 ?:

“Brethren and *fathers*, hear my defence before you now.”

You can find the word ‘teacher’ being used in the follwing verses:

John 3:10; Acts 13:1; I Corinthians 12:28; Ephesians 4:11; II Titus 1:11…

Find more here – starting with the word ‘father’…

NKJ – ‘Father’

A good explanation of the reasoning can be found here:

Orthodoxy: Father

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As far as the MadJewess – she needs a good dose of truth!

“My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth. And by this we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him. For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things. Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God.”
– I John 3:18

“We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.”
– I John 4:6

You say, “It is just that everyone who wears the name ‘Jew’ is not an enemy.”

They call themselves ‘Jew’ – specifically because they are anti-Christ!

St. Paul says, “For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ”
– Philippians 3:18

22. themadjewess - May 19, 2010

You are judging me with unrighteous judgement.
You are judging me based on the NAME of my BLOG., no other reason.
You are calling a good person -evil. God talks about NOT calling that which is good-evil and evil-good.

You do not know me, you do not know who is the author and finisher of my faith.

I would highly suggest that you stop the unrighteous judgement and start acting like the passages up there command you.
I am no enemy of God, you are acting as one.

If my blog was called “The Mad American” I can tell you flat out that you would have NO issues.

Jesus was a JEW, he fullfilled the LAW. They called him “The King of the JEWS”

If you really love Jesus, the king of the JEWS, you would have NO issues with the Jewish people.

But you do, because you have an issue with Jesus’s Jewishness.

23. themadjewess - May 19, 2010

AND, Prodigal:
You give ME this scripture, but do not realize that the pointing finger is AT YOU.

“My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth. And by this we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him. For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things. Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God.”
– I John 3:18

I suggest that YOU start loving in deed. I suggest that YOU walk in this truth. I suggest that YOU not condemn people as this is not your position. I suggest that YOU not put aside all people as potential candidates of Teshuvah and repent yourself.

24. The Prodigal Son - May 20, 2010

MadJewess,

I’m really not into arguing with you here.

I’m not judging you. Your eternal fate lies in the hands of the Christ – the God you reject. You call yourself a ‘Jew’… ‘Jews’ are anti-Christ.

Why isn’t your blog called ‘The Mad American’?

Because you – like ALL so-called ‘Jews’ – consider yourself first and foremost a ‘Jew’!

Jesus was an Israelite… Jesus was a Judahite.

The sign on the Cross read ‘King of the Judeans’… NOT ‘Jews’! The Judeans who rejected Him wanted Pilate to change it – but he said, “I have written what I have written.”

But Jesus was not a Judean (‘Jew’)… Jesus was a Galilean! The sign on the Cross made that plain: ‘Jesus of Nazareth’… Nazareth was in Galilee – not Judea.

The O.T. Mosaic law was not given to ‘Jews’… the law was given to the Hebrews; to the Israelites. Israelite is NOT synonymous with ‘Jew’!

‘Jews’ are Pharisees and Jesus is not a Pharisee. Jesus is God Himself and God is NOT a Pharisee – nor is He ‘Jewish’!

If you don’t like the truth – you’re in the wrong place.

Repent MadAmerican and receive the love of the truth.

I’ve seen from your website that you support the anti-Christ occupiers of the Holy Land; the imposters who have STOLEN the title of ‘Israel’, the murderers who did 9/11!

“Walk as children of light (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth), finding out what is acceptable to the Lord.

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.

For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret. But all things that are exposed are made manifest by the light, for whatever makes manifest is light.”
– Ephesians 5:8-13

25. themadjewess - May 20, 2010

You are STILL judging, as I stated, you do NOT know me, nor do you know who the author and finisher of my faith is.

Obviously you did not take the time to read ‘about me’ on my blog did you? No, which is why you are unrighteously judging me.

FYI: WHEN did I EVER say I rejected Jesus? When? YOU said that. So, onward. I grew up with BOTH faiths in my family, a full knowledge of Jesus and a full knowledge of the Jewish faith.

You are giving me scriptures I have taught on for years in my life from the New Testament.

You don’t know what Crypto Jewry is, do you? NO. Judging, judging, judging. God will judge you in kind.

… Sorry, Jesus is a JEW.
King of the JEWS.
Until YOU come to terms with this, YOU are anti-Christ, you are rejecting Jesus as the JEWISH MESSIAH.

“The murderers who did 9/11”!
You have also been brainwashed as well, everyone knows who did the terrorist act on 9/11.

… Yes, I support Israel, I READ the Book of Revelations, I READ where Jesus says in the latter days:
“Let those in JUDEA flee to the hills”
Jesus is an “Israel firster”

How evil of you. Do you know how many Christians are in Israel? Do you know that Messianics have been granted the right of return?
You are just plain mean.

You need to repent, it is YOU that is living in darkness. NOT ME.

26. John Kaniecki - May 20, 2010

I’m doing good how are you?

Okay I can agree that there was teaching done in the Church. But none of those teachings would contradict what is written in the letters.

Here is a catechism from the Russian Orthodox Church

Question: What does religion teach us as to our duties to the Czar?
Answer: Worship, fidelity, the payment of taxes, service, love and prayer- the whole being comprised in the words, worship and fidelity.

I think if you really investigate your catechisms you would find many contradictions both to the teaching of the Bible and good common sense. Why because they are man made and not inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Love,

John Kaniecki

27. The Prodigal Son - May 20, 2010

MadJewess,

I thought I told you I didn’t want to argue with you here…

You grew up with both Christianity and the rejection of Christianity?

No wonder you’re ‘Mad’!

It’s quite obvious you don’t know what it is to be a ‘Jew’… nor do you have a clue what REAL Christianity is.

You cannot serve two masters… you must love the one and despise the other. Since you call yourself ‘Jew’, I guess we can deduce which master you’ve chosen…

We know who the ‘god’ of the anti-Christs is!

Answer my question – why don’t you call yourself ‘Mad American’?

Think what you want – But I’m telling you you’re wrong! A ‘Jew’ is an adherant of ‘Judaism’… ‘Judaism’ is New Testament Pharisaism! Pharisees were then – and are now

ANTI-CHRIST!!

How can Christ be anti-Christ?!? How can God be opposed to His only begotten Son?!?

Jesus is God… and God IS

NOT

A ‘JEW’!! Period!

RE: “flee to the hills”…

I believe you’re talking about this?:

“So when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not” (let the reader understand), “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.”
– Mark 13:14

… Variations of which are also found in Matthew 24:16; Luke 21:21.

If so – this verse was fulfilled in 70 AD, when the Roman general Titus entered the Most Holy Place and had a statue of himself erected… before eventually having the temple destroyed.

Of course Jesus is an Israel firster! But that has nothing to do with the murderous occupiers of the Holy Land who have blasphemously STOLEN the title of Israel!

Christians are Israel!

Anti-Christ ‘Jews’ ARE NOT Israel

And YES! – the ‘Jews’ and the Neo-CON dual-citizens pulled off 9/11! Here – check these sites out & listen to these podcasts:

‘Jews’ Did 9/11 – All The Proof In The World

Missing Links – The Movie

How 9/11 Was Done

Podcasts:

The Ugly Truth – March 15/10

The Ugly Truth – March 24/10

Once the rest of America figures it out… ‘Jew’ apologists like you are going to be in DEEP S**T!!

I advise you to repent now!

Star of David Morph

28. The Prodigal Son - May 20, 2010

John,

Glad to hear you’re well…

Can you tell me where you got that Russian ‘Catechism’ from?

Can you put a link here?

Thanks!

29. John Kaniecki - May 21, 2010

Hi hope you’re well.

I got that from a book on Russia.

The Catholic Church has progressive Revelation. That is one when becomes a ‘priest’ he goes through levels. At each level he learns things the regular laity does not know. I suspect the Orthodox Church is the same. I would really investigate what their Catechisms are. It may open your eyes.

Love,

John

30. themadjewess - May 21, 2010

“You grew up with both Christianity and the rejection of Christianity?”

I NEVER said I rejected Jesus.

Blog Owner, your person needs the love of God way more than me, so I have stayed too long. I will not return. God will smite those that seek my pain for no reason.

Jesus, is KING OF THE JEWS.

The Prodigal Son - May 21, 2010

Hi again John,

Your “book on Russia” is bunk!

The Orthodox Church is NOTHING like the Roman Catholic Church. The papists separated from us in the year 1054 AD.

You could say that the Romists were the first protestants – because they went against the teachings of the Church which had already existed for 1,000 years.

You said, “At each level he learns things the regular laity does not know. I suspect the Orthodox Church is the same.”

I’m sorry – but you suspect wrong! The Orthodox do not believe in “progressive revelation”… We believe that the faith was delivered once and for all by the Apostles – NEVER to be changed, and so we keep it unchanged.

Rather than ‘progressive’ our faith is immovable.

You said, ” I would really investigate what their Catechisms are. It may open your eyes.”

I am a Catechumen myself!

But you’re right – it has opened my eyes! I now know that (just like pretty much everything here in North America)… everything I’ve learned has been a lie! Everything, including the concept of so-called ‘Western Christianity’!

Eastern Christendom (true Christendom) has never been under the thumb of the pope… They never went through the protestant movement (there was nothing to protest!)… They never went through the ‘reformation’ and the ‘restoration’! Eastern Orthodox Christianity is what it has always been:

The “House of God, which is the Church of the Living God; the pillar and ground of the truth.”
– I Timothy 3:15

The Russian Orthodox Church has never “worshipped” the Emperor/Czar… so I don’t know what your book is talking about!

Do you remember the title of the book?

The Prodigal Son - May 21, 2010

MadJewess,

You said, “I NEVER said I rejected Jesus.”

You call yourself a ‘Jew’… ‘Jews’ reject Jesus. That’s what so-called ‘Judaism’ is – a reactionary rejection of the Messiah!

Your own blog says your father was not a ‘Jew’; that he was (at least nominally) a Christian… And yet you identify yourself as a ‘Jew’. Why don’t you identify yourself as ‘The MadChristian’?

If you put faith in and submit to “halachic law”… you submit to the anti-Christ ‘rabbis’!

I advise you instead to repent, put your faith in and submit to Jesus the Christ.

If Jesus is ‘King of the Jews’… then why do they reject Him?

In fact Jesus is King of Kings; Lord of Lords; the Saviour of the whole world!

In Christ, there is no more ‘Jew’ (Judean) or ‘Gentile’ (Greek)… In Christ there is a new creation: a Christian. Geneology means nothing!

I don’t mean to cause you pain… and if I truly have – I apologize. I only mean to tell you the truth. Jesus clearly said:

“I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”
– John 14:6

So… “Have I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth?”
– Galatians 4:16

… BTW – Nice eye! Reminds me of something… I can’t put my finger on.

Oh wait… Now I remember!

31. David Ben Moshe - May 23, 2010

Prodigal Son
Jesus was born to a Jewish family and preached to Jews. After his death, Peter and Paul argued over Jewish Law and who should follow it. Peter expected non Jews to follow all of the Jewish laws, but Paul convinced him that it would be too much and followers would be lost, so the end result was that only Jews follow their laws plus what their Messiah preached.

In Jewish law, if your mother is Jewish, then you are Jewish.

… The eye of the person in that picture looks like the eye of Claudette Colbert. What does Claudette Colbert have to do with a new world order?

32. John Kaniecki - May 23, 2010

Hi hope you are well.

The quote is from a book called “Three who made a revolution.”

Love,

John

33. The Prodigal Son - May 23, 2010

David,

The Mad one sent you to argue w/ me in her stead did she? Great. Either way – I’m not taken in by your nonsense either.

You say, “Jesus was born to a Jewish family and preached to Jews.”

No… Jesus was born into an Hebrew Israelite family; of the tribe of Judah. He preached (in the beginning) to Israelites. However Israelite is NOT – and never has been synonymous with ‘Jew’.

In the first century there were no such words as ‘Jew’ or ‘Jewish’. Both are English constructs (as is the word ‘Gentile’).

There were Judahites – who were either racial members of the tribe of Judah OR descendants of the temporal kingdom of Judah which had included Benjamites (like Saul/St. Paul) & also Levites…

And there were Judeans – who were residents of the Roman province of Judea… Many of whom were not ‘racially’ Israelites AT ALL.

For example – first century Judea had a large (majority?) Edomite population (including the kings Herod)… Edomites are descendants of Esau/Edom – NOT Jacob/Israel. These people were called ‘Jews’ (Judeans) – but they were not Israelites or tribal Judahites like Jesus was.

“Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a ‘Jew’ – or to call a contemporary ‘Jew’ an Israelite or Hebrew.”
– Jewish Almanac (1980 ed.)

Then you said, “After his death, Peter and Paul argued over Jewish Law and who should follow it.”

Like I said: in Christ’s day, there was no such descriptor as ‘Jewish’… Ss. Peter and Paul had a dispute over whether or not Christians were obliged to keep the MOSAIC law (law of Moses).

But what is known today as ‘Jewish law’ is actually Talmudic Law – not Mosaic law. Talmudic law is also known as the ‘oral law’. In first century Judea, the oral law was called by Christ the ‘traditions of men/traditions of the elders’… and actually went against and negated the laws of Moses and the Commandments of God:

“Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, “Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.”

He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’

But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God” – then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition.

Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying: ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth, And honor Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”
– Matthew 15:1-9

Then you say, “… the end result was that only Jews follow their laws plus what their Messiah preached.”

Nonsense. In Christ there is no ‘Jew’ (Judean) or ‘Gentile’ (Greek)… The NEW Covenant has replaced and superseded the OLD Covenant! In Christ the Old Covenant is made null & useless:

“But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.

Because finding fault with them, He says: ‘Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah – not according to the Covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My Covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.'”
– Hebrews 8: 6-9

“In that He says, ‘A NEW Covenant’, He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.”
– Hebrews 8:13

You also said, “In Jewish law, if your mother is Jewish, then you are Jewish.”

Now here what you are calling ‘Jewish law’ is actually Talmudic law; Pharisaic law… These Talmudic ‘oral laws’ make the Mosaic law of no effect. Also, ‘Jew’ is an anti-Christ religion – NOT A RACE!!

Hence, there are White ‘Jews’; Black ‘Jews’; Middle Eastern ‘Jews’; Hispanic ‘Jews’… even Indian ‘Jews’! Are you honestly going to try to tell us that a White Ashkenazi ‘Jew’ and a Black African ‘Jew’ are of the same race?

Saying that, “If your mother is Jewish, then you are Jewish.”… is like me saying, “My mother is Christian, so I’m Christian.”… RIDICULOUS!!

As for the eye… I think the pictures speak for themselves. And who said anything about the ‘New World Order’?

34. The Prodigal Son - May 24, 2010

Hey John,

Thanks friend! I’ll get back to you on that…

Today (Sunday) the Orthodox Church celebrated the Feast of Pentecost.

Pentecost of course being the very day the Church (the “Israel of God”) was established in the New Covenant – thereby replacing the Old Covenant forever.

On Pentecost the giving of the Law to Moses by Christ, the Son of God was brought to perfect completion when the Holy Spirit came upon His Church.

“The All Holy Spirit, Who freely distributes gifts to all, has descended and come to earth; not as He formerly had in the Law’s dark shadow, shining in the Prophets, but now in very truth, He is bestowed in us through Christ.”

Today’s services draw special attention to the Old Testament prophecies regarding the Holy Spirit which were fulfilled on that day:

“For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols.

I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.”
– Ezekiel 36:24-28

~~~ ~ † ~ ~~~

“Be glad then, you children of Zion, And rejoice in the Lord your God; For He has given you the former rain faithfully, And He will cause the rain to come down for you – The early rain, And the latter rain in the first month.

The threshing floors shall be full of wheat, And the vats shall overflow with new wine and oil. “So I will restore to you the years that the swarming locust has eaten, The crawling locust, The consuming locust, And the chewing locust, My great army which I sent among you.

You shall eat in plenty and be satisfied, And praise the name of the Lord your God, Who has dealt wondrously with you; And My people shall never be put to shame. Then you shall know that I am in the midst of Israel: I am the Lord your God And there is no other.

My people shall never be put to shame. “And it shall come to pass afterward That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your old men shall dream dreams, Your young men shall see visions. And also on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days.

“And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth: Blood and fire and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.

And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the Lord Shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be deliverance, As the Lord Himself said, and there shall be proclamation of the good news to those whom the Lord Himself called.”
– Joel 2:23-3:5

And as Moses said:

“Would that all the Lord’s people might be prophets when the Lord would put His Spirit upon them.”
– Numbers 11:29

Christ Is Risen! Let His Enemies Be Scattered!

†IC XC†
†NI KA†

35. JOHN KANIECKI - May 24, 2010

David Ben Moshe,

Hi hope you are well.

You are mistaken in your conclusion. The Bible the Word of God does not conflict. Paul teaches that we are not to keep the Law. See the book of Galatians. Also the Law can be summed up in the statement of “Love thy neighbor.”

What about the Talmud? What are your thoughts on that?

Love,

John Kaniecki

36. themadjewess - May 24, 2010

John, this is your blog, huh?
You condone this persecution of Jews, that you know zero about.
You are not what I thought you were or are.
I ask God to forgive me for saying that you were/are a loving person, you are indeed a passive agresssive.

No wonder a Jew wont come to Jesus Christ on THIS blog.
Shame on you.

(David) is a Jew 4 Jesus. I suppose that isnt allowed…

37. John Kaniecki - May 24, 2010

Themadjewess,

Hi hope you are well.

This is not my blog. It is Prodigal Son’s blog. I am no more a participant than you are. I object to the wholesale condemnation of people. Look at Islam for example. How many of those people are violent and how many are just doing what they need to do in their country? You take what you’re given and do the best.

As far as being a passive aggressive that may fit me but not in the way you are thinking.

Love,

John

38. The Prodigal Son - June 4, 2010

Hey John,

I’ve tried and tried to find that book online… but to no avail. I was able to find it for sale but not in an online version I could read.

I would like to read it but I just cannot afford it right now. Is it a book you own? Does it give a reference to the primary source for that information?

I have read many various catechisms online (including Russian) but I’ve never seen anything like what you’re talking about, so I would love to know where the author got his information.

Anyhow, I hope I haven’t offended you here somehow.

Job’s blog is downright barren! I’m pretty sure I saw a tumbleweed rolling across his homepage!

I notice that a lot of times he doesn’t reply to people who have addressed him by name (including myself)… That’s just downright rude if you ask me.

39. John Kaniecki - June 4, 2010

Hi hope you are well.

I suspect Job is dealing with something in his life and thus his neglect of the blog.

Three Who Made a Revolution by Bertram D. Wolfe. Page 48 in the paper back. Apparently it was a text book at one time. I was reading it to understand revolution. The Russian revolution was one that went seriously wrong! I know that will be avoided in the final revolution as it will be guided by God Himself!!!

No I am not offended I just don’t have anything to say. See how the MadJewess criticized me about operating your blog. How she got that idea I do not know. Perhaps when I asked your guest about his views on the Talmud she didn’t like that.

The Talmud, like the Koran or the Book of Mormon or any other book by man pretending to be God’s word is evil!

Thanks for the thoughts.

Love,

John Kaniecki

The Prodigal Son - June 4, 2010

Hi again John…

You could be right about Job… but he has still ignored me many times.

Do you own the book? Does it have a list of sources or references at the end?

The Russian (Bolshevik) revolution was a ‘Jewish’/Masonic operation as was the ‘French’. It was all about the destruction of the existing Christian aristocracy and the installation of a ‘Jewish’ power structure. Their anti-Christ takeover agenda is outlined succinctly in the ‘Protocols of Zion’, which we can see coming into complete fruition today.

They killed over 60 million Christians but all we ever hear about is the BS Hollow¢o$t™ and the magical “$ix Million”! Christian Churches were destroyed while ‘Jewish’ synagogues remained… So-called anti-Semitism was made illegal with the punishment being death! There were so many ‘Jews’ in positions of power following the ‘revolution’ that it was plainly obvious who was behind it all – even before the revelation that funding for the takeover had come from New York ‘Jew’ bankers & Wall Street ‘Jews’.

‘The MadJewess’ – as her handle makes clear is not all there. She speaks of God and rejects Him at the same time. And just like all self-styled ‘Jews’, as soon as anyone brings up the Talmud they go into a tizzy. I’m working on gathering quotes from the Talmud regarding Christians, Jesus and His mother, as well as some of the other juicy tidbits contained within…

That ought to get them going!

The Talmud makes the Qu’aran and the book of Mormon look like children’s books!

40. John Kaniecki - June 5, 2010

Hi hope you are well.

It is very curious to me that you joined a group with people you have never met. I know people do that in the Church of Christ as well!

Love,

John Kaniecki

The Prodigal Son - June 5, 2010

Hi John,

Can you explain what you mean? What group?

I’m not really sure what you’re talking about.

Thanks

41. John Kaniecki - June 5, 2010

Hi hope you are well.

You joined the Orthodox religion and do not have an assembly where you gather to worship in your vicinity?

Love,

John Kaniecki

The Prodigal Son - June 5, 2010

Hey John,

Firstly, I must tell you that Orthodoxy is not a religion! The Church that Jesus founded upon Himself is both the fulfillment and the negation of all religion.

And as I said in my post on May 8th @ 1:50pm:

“Here where I live, it was a 3 hour drive to the nearest Orthodox Church! In the very recent past, the only Churches were those which consisted of ethnic communtities of immigrants from Orthodox nations such as Russia & Greece.

Luckily for me, (and thanks be to God!) a new Church just opened 10 minutes from my house! This is a predominantly Ukrainian congregation who had been (unbeknownst to me) conducting services in a local funeral home! They have just acquired a new building – what was previously a ‘Christian science’ community that went belly-up.”

When I came to the realization that Jesus is the truth… I was faced with the questions:

1. What is His Church?

2. Where is His Church?

I did a lot of searching and a lot of research in order to find His Church!

Are you saying you joined the Church of Christ just because you knew some people that went there?

42. John Kaniecki - June 6, 2010

Hi hope you are well.

I respect your questions and your diligence in searching out the truth. I believe if you asked those two questions and sought the the answers by using the Bible as the authority you would have come to the Church of Christ.

I came from a Catholic background and I came to believe in Jesus from reading the Bible. I then asked myself “Does anyone follow what is taught there?” I saw those who did in the Church of Christ.

For example the book of James teaches us to talk about the future using the pharse “God willing”. So many people ignore this.

Doctrine works hand in hand with action. Faith must be alive. I hope the people in the Orthodox Church do not let you down. I have a feeling they will though, so be warned.

Love,

John Kaniecki

The Prodigal Son - June 6, 2010

Hey John,

Thanks for your concern.

You wrote, ” I believe if you asked those two questions and sought the the answers by using the Bible as the authority you would have come to the Church of Christ.”

The only problem with what you say is: the Church existed before the Bible! So what did the earliest Christian have as their authority if there was no New Testament? Simple… The Apostles and the Bishops whom they appointed! The Church itself was (and is) the authority – guided into all truth by the Holy Spirit.

The Bible was birthed in & belongs to the Church… It was never meant to stand alone. The Gospels are the testimony of the Church. The various epistles are written to the Church. This alone proves that the Church was already established before the epistles were written.

There are 33,000 ‘denominations’ which all claim to use the Bible as their authority – just like the ‘church of Christ’ does… and they all think that they are following the Bible faithfully.

However the Bible says there is only one Church – not 33,000. So the Church had to have been there in the beginning, had to have been there all along… and has to still be here. I’m sorry to tell you John – but the so-called ‘church of Christ’ does not meet those criteria.

As you know… I too come from a R.C. background. It’s terrible – but I’m convinced that their mission for the past few hundred years has been to turn people away from Christ. I believe they have been subverted by the ‘Jews’.

The church of Rome used to be part of the Orthodox Curch… but shortly before the turn of the first millenium they began to alter the faith. And so in the 11th century they were finally excommunicated from the Orthodox Church.

So you have done the right thing by rejecting Rome… but you’ve gone too far! To decry the false tradition of the papacy is wise… but to reject all Holy Tradition completely is folly. In the Bible St. Paul adjures Christians to hold fast Holy Tradition.

The Sacraments were instituted by God and should not be rejected… most particularly the life-giving consecrated Eucharist.

43. John Kaniecki - June 6, 2010

Hi hope you are well.

Well regarding scripture. The words of the Bible I believe are inspired. Therefore they take precedent over anything that comes later. I do not trust the so called Church ‘Fathers’ one bit. They have gotten away from the message of Love that Jesus spoke.

Love,

John Kaniecki

The Prodigal Son - June 7, 2010

Hi again John…

Well, we were talking about using the Bible to find the Church. I said (and it’s clear that) the Church came before the Bible.

So obviously the Church is preeminent… the Bible does not stand alone. Before the Bible existed – there was Orthodox Holy Tradition!

Re: Love…

    “My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth. And by this we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him. For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things. Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God.
    – I John 3:18-21

Is this Love?:

    “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.”
    – Matthew 23:27-28

Or this?:

    ” Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?
    – Matthew 23:33″

Or this?:

    “You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.”
    – John 8:44

The answer is YES! By telling someone the truth… you are showing them real love! Sometimes the truth may seem harsh – but if it can affect repentance and eternal salvation through acceptance of Christ, then that is one of the greatest acts of love there is.

The Truth IS Love – because Jesus Christ is the Truth.


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