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Palestine – In Christ’s Time June 29, 2010

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(A page from my 1929 Bible)

The above image demonstrates the distinction between Judea, Samaria and Galilee. In the N.T., the word ‘Judean’ is translated as ‘Jew’. Jesus was a Galilean from Nazareth – not a Judean.

The following is a post I made HERE at OC.net

‘Jews’ = Judahites, ‘Jews’ = Judeans, ‘Jews’ = Edomites??

I am convinced that many – if not most of the ‘Jews’ (Judeans) in the New Testament narrative were actually Edomites.

The Old Testament in English presents the word that should be translated ‘Judahite’ as ‘Jew’, while the New Testament in English presents the word that should be translated ‘Judean’ also as ‘Jew.’

It seems clear to me that these two words are not synonymous!

Here’s an e-mail I sent to Presvytera Jeannie Constantinou which spells out my point… (I would also love to hear people’s take on all of this) [Here at Christ Conquers also!]:

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“I hear people all of the time (and I’ve now heard you as well) equating the ‘Jews’ with Hebrews and O.T. Israelites. This is one of my pet peeves, and the majority of ‘Christians’ do this! Where have they gotten this idea?

“Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a ‘Jew’ – or to call a contemporary ‘Jew’ an Israelite or Hebrew.”
– Jewish Almanac (1980 ed.)

Many times already in your podcasts, I have heard you use the word ‘Jew(s)’ or ‘Jewish’ – when it would have been correct to say Hebrew(s) [before Jacob’s time], Israelite(s) or Judahite(s). Now I am sure you know that Adam, Seth, Noah or Moses were not ‘Jews’… Nor was Joshua ever called a ‘Jew’. This also goes for Abraham, Isaac & Jacob: NONE of these were (or were EVER called in the Scriptures) ‘Jews’!

Now, since we know that God Himself changed Jacob’s name to Israel – we could say that Jacob was the first Israelite… Before him – there were only Hebrews! Certainly you could NOT correctly call them ‘Jews’! Yet  you – in your podcasts (and most of so-called ‘Christendom’) do just that!

In the O.T., the word ‘Jews’ appears for the very first time in II Kings 16:6 (KJV), with the ‘Jews’ being driven from Elath by Rezin – king of Syria. (This is an interesting verse in another way too – I’ll come back to it later.) A quick cross-reference to the Septuagint (IV Kingdoms in the LXX/OSB) show that the translation there shows NOT ‘Jews’… but (more accurately) ‘men of Judah’. Therefore, it would be correct to say that the very first ‘Jew’ was Judah. All of the Hebrews which came before Judah then – were NOT ‘Jews’.

But even here – in most Bibles the word ‘Jew(s)’ is entirely un-neccessary (as evidenced by the LXX/OSB) and when the O.T. Is combined with the N.T., this made-up English word only causes confusion… And frankly – makes me think that all of this is no accident. Judah of course was the patriarch of the tribe of Judah (one of 13 if we include the tribe of Levi). If we look at the other Israelite tribes, they are all translated into English in a similar manner: the tribe of Levi become known as ‘LevITES’… the tribe of Benjamin become ‘BenjamITES’… the tribe of Reuben become ‘ReubenITES’…. the tribe of Gad become ‘GadITES’.

But when it comes to Judah and his tribe – are they called as we would expect – ‘JudahITES’? No! Instead we end up with the made-up word ‘Jew(s)’! Strange? I thought so… Anyhow, it seems clear that in the O.T., the word ‘Jew(s)’ really means Judahites… At first designating a tribal racial member of the Judahites and later, a resident of the kingdom of Judah (regardless of whether that resident was actually a tribal Hebrew Israelite or not.)

Then (during the Roman occupation) in the New Testament we also find the word ‘Jew(s)’… But does it still mean ‘Judahites’? The temporal Kingdom of Judah is no more, so ‘Jew’ now designates a resident of the Roman province of Judea OR Judahites.

Therefore the word SHOULD have been translated as Judean(s) when applicable. This would have made MUCH more sense and avoided much confusion! But the words ‘Judean(s)’ & ‘Judahite(s)’ are NOT found anywhere in the Bible! Those called ‘Jews’ in the New Testament were NOT all tribal Judahites – many of the residents of Roman Judea were not even Israelites!

So you see how it’s very misleading to call them ‘Jews’ because it draws a false parallel to the Judahites of the Old Testament. One could be a Judean (‘Jew’) without being a Judahite (‘Jew’) – and vice-versa. Why use the same word? The truth is – many of the residents of New Testament Judea were actually Edomites!

I’m sure you can grasp the significance of this!

According to I Maccabees 5:3-8, the nation of Edom (Idumea) ceased to be in 126 BC when John Hyrcanus completed the conquest began in 163 BC by Judas Maccabeus, forcing the Edomites to be circumcised. According to Josephus – thereafter these Edomites were considered nothing other than Judeans. So Edom was simply absorbed into Judea.

Anyhow my point is this: The word that should have been rendered in English as ‘Judean’ was instead transliterated into the loaded made-up new word – ‘Jew’.

It makes quite a difference to the meaning conveyed by the Scriptures… Is this an accident? Look at this verse from John in two variations:

‘Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him…’ (This implies that He spoke to Judahites; Israelites; Hebrews.)

‘Then Jesus said to those Judeans who believed Him…’ (This conveys that He was speaking to people of Judea – the PLACE, who could have been of any nationality, and were not neccessarily Hebrew Israelites… and could easily have been Edomites.)

The historian Strabo, writing around the time of Christ… held that the Idumeans (Edomites) constituted the majority of the population of Western Judea – where they comingled with the Judeans and adopted the Israelite customs. (Strabo, Geography – Bk 16.2.34)

“John Hyrcanus conquered the whole of Edom and undertook the forced conversion of it’s inhabitants to Judaism.” (Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews XIII 9,1)

“Thenceforth the Edomites became a section of the Jewish people.” (Encyclopedia Judaica, Vol 6, pg 378 [1971])

“Thus at this juncture of time the Edomites were incorporated with the Jewish nation, and their country was called by the Greeks & the Romans ‘Idumea.'” [Mark 3:8; Ptolemy – Geography V. 16] (The Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol V, pg 41… Ca. 1904)

According to Josephus, it was the Edomite Herods who ruthlessly ended the Judahite Maccabean dynasty and its Hasmonean high priestly family; it was the Herods who then appointed many of the high priests (including Annas) – and took over the gov’t of the Judeans, and finally lined up with Titus in the siege of Jerusalem.

So how many of those in the N.T. Who were called ‘Jews’ were really Edomites – but were still called ‘Jews’ because they lived in Judea? If these Judeans weren’t all Judahites (or even Israelites), then how misleading is it for them to also be called ‘Jews’ as the O.T. Judahites were called ‘Jews’… implying that  ‘Jew’ is synonymous with Hebrew or Israelite? VERY!

Now – back to the verses found II Kings 16:6 – first in the Masoretic O.T. Of the KJV…

“At that time Rezin king of Syria recovered Elath to Syria, and drave the Jews from Elath: and the SYRIANS came to Elath and dwelt there unto this day.”

O.K. – now here is the same verse from IV Kingdoms 16:6 from my OSB w/ the Septuagint…

“At that time, Rezin king of Syria returned Elath to Syria and drove the men of Judah from Elath. Then the EDOMITES went to Elath, where they continue to dwell to this day.”

See the difference there? Is this an accident? Now consider that King Herod was an Edomite… HOW MANY of ‘the Jews’ (Judeans) in Christ’s time were REALLY Edomites?”

Since Christ said He came for the lost sheep of the House of Israel… Is it not possible that all of the true Hebrew Israelites became Christians, while the Edomites were the ones who went on to be known as ‘Jews’?…

(Please click on the link beneath the map above to view the responses I received…)

†IC XC†

†NI KA†

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1. 正教会の智 - August 8, 2010

You’re just going to give yourself an ulcer dealing with those idiots.

Such people are not deserving of respect. Not because they disagree with you, but because of their slanders. Anyone who can write such stupid things as, or just start talking about Mein Kampf and the Hoaxico$t — we have to deal with these sort of idiots in everyday life, at school, in the Jew-Mason media, in government, in the legal rackets, and so on. Why waste time debating with them online?

People who write nonsense like this are brainwashed virtually beyond hope: “St. John Chrysostom is a true saint [but] he had a serious hang up and prejudice against Jews.” … “He was a proto-anti-Semite.”

“Go back to your reading of Mein Kampf.” ?

More sloganeering, from the genius Jennifer: “This is just an anti-Semitic myth!”

Having, like you, tried to explain things, in vain, to such morons, now I try to just ignore them and only deal with people who at least treat people with respect and are interested in facts.

Eg:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,3399.msg43429.html#msg43429

2. 正教会の智 - August 8, 2010

Congress & President: “USA founded on Talmudic Law”

US Public Law 102-14

“Congress recognizes the historical tradition of ethical values and principles which are the basis of civilized society and upon which our great Nation was founded. These ethical values and principles have been the bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization, when they were known as the Seven Noahide Laws.

“Without these ethical values and principles the edifice of civilization stands in serious peril of returning to chaos. Society is profoundly concerned with the recent weakening of these principles that has resulted in crises that beleaguer and threaten the fabric of civilized society. The justified preoccupation with these crises must not let the citizens of this Nation lose sight of their responsibility to transmit these historical ethical values from our distinguished past to the generations of the future.

“The Lubavitch movement has fostered and promoted these ethical values and principles throughout the world.

“Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, leader of the Lubavitch movement, is universally respected and revered. In tribute to The Rebbe, 1991 will be in which we return the world to the moral and ethical values contained in the Seven Noahide Laws.

“This will be reflected in an international scroll of honor signed by the President of the United States and other heads of state.

“Therefore, be it resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, that the birthday of The Rebbe be designated “Education Day, U.S.A.”. The President [at that time: George Herbert Walker Bush, of American International (AIC-AIG), Harriman, CFR, TRC, Freemason, CIA, Carlyle, Bilderberg, etc. etc.] is requested to issue a proclamation calling upon the people of the United States to observe such day with appropriate ceremonies and activities.

“Passed the House of Representatives March 5, 1991.

“Passed the Senate March 7, 1991.

“Duly signed by George H.W. Bush, March 20, 1991.”

The above is paraphrase, without all the procedural fluff. The original bill is on the Library of Congress’ website.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c102:H.J.RES.104

The bill was titled “Education Day, U.S.A.”, and was passed on March 5, 1991 by “Unanimous Consent”, after the entire membership of the House of Representatives had already been dismissed, after having been told that the day’s work, including all the voting, was over. After virtually all members had left, the authors of the resolution brought it up for a vote on the House floor – with only four hand-picked members present — and it was passed by voice vote with no record made. Two days later, the U.S. Senate passed the Resolution by voice vote, again with no recorded vote. On March 20, 1991, it was signed by President George H. W. Bush and became Public Law 102-14.

The Seven Talmudic Laws for All Humanity

Prohibition of Idolatry: You shall not have any idols before God.

Prohibition of Murder: You shall not murder.

Prohibition of Theft: You shall not steal.

Prohibition of Sexual Promiscuity: You shall not commit any of a series of sexual prohibitions, which include adultery, incest, bestiality and male homosexual intercourse.

Prohibition of Blasphemy: You shall not blaspheme God’s name.

Dietary Law: Do not eat flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive..

Requirement to have just Laws: You shall set up an effective judiciary to enforce the preceding six laws fairly.

According to Jewish law (according to Wikipedia anyway), non-Jews are not obligated to convert to Judaism, but they are required to observe the Seven Laws of Noah. Those who subscribe to the observance of such laws and their supporting organizations are referred to as B’nei Noah [בני נוח], Children of Noah , or Noahides.

A non-Jew who keeps the Noahide Laws [שבע מצוות בני נח] in all their details is said to attain the same spiritual and moral level as Israel’s own Kohen Gadol (high priest) [כהן גדול].Maimonides states that a non-Jew who is precise in the observance of these Seven Noahide commandments is considered to be a Righteous Gentile and has earned a place in the world to come. Oh, isn’t that special?

Here we see, yet again, the absolute chutzpah of the Jew:

“According to Jewish law, all non-Jews are required to observe Jewish law.”

[“Required”.]

[For “all non-Jews”, you could say “all of humanity”, except that, according to Jews, only they are human, just as the Jews’ “Christian” Identity, and British Israel, and Black Israelite, and Nation of Islam puppets claim that only Whites, or only “Anglo-Saxons”, or only Blacks, or only “Nordics”, etc. are human.]

Christians are neither Jews nor Gentiles.

If a non-Jew is to be accepted to live among the Jewish people in the Land of “Israel” [which most Jews now think is the same as The Zionist Entity in Occupied Palestine], then that person must keep the Noahide Laws, and a number of additional Laws and regulations apply as well. Such as person is called a Ger Toshav “Sojourning Alien” [גר תושב] amid the people of Israel. A “Ger Toshav” is the only kind of non-Jew who Jewish law permits to live among the Jewish people in the Land of Israel when the land is run according to Halacha and there is a Sanhedrin and a Temple. Jewish law only allows the official acceptance of a “Ger Toshav” as a sojourner in the Land of Israel during a time when the Year of Jubilee (yovel) is in effect.

Outside of Masonry, Chabad-Lubavitch has been the most politically active in Noahide-promotion matters, believing that there is spiritual value to non-Jews by even just acknowledging the seven laws. In 1989 they had a reference to these laws surreptitiously enshrined in a congressional proclamation..

In April 2006, the spiritual leader of the Druze community in Israel, Sheikh Mowafak Tarif, met with a representative of Chabad-Lubavitch to sign a declaration calling on all non-Jews in Israel to observe the Noahide Laws as laid down in the Bible and expounded upon in Jewish tradition. The mayor of the Galilean city of Shefa-’Amr (Shfaram) also signed the document.

In 2007, Chabad-Lubavitch gathered “ambassadors” from Poland, Latvia, Mexico, Panama, Ghana, and Japan. to take part in a gathering to declare, in the name of the states they represent, their support of the universal teachings of Noahide Laws. To the “amazement” of the audience at the Kinus, the embassadors signed a special proclamation which calls for all mankind to follow the Sheva Mitzvos Bnei Noach and to accept the everlasting kingship of the Rebbe Shlita as Melech Hamoshiach.

The US law stating that the US is founded upon the basis of the Talmud, was drafted by Robert H. Michel, and was co-sponsored by the following:

Rep Abercrombie, Neil [HI-1] – 2/27/1991
Rep Andrews, Robert E. [NJ-1] – 2/6/1991
Rep Annunzio, Frank [IL-11] – 2/6/1991
Rep Archer, Bill [TX-7] – 2/6/1991
Rep Aspin, Les [WI-1] – 2/27/1991
Rep Bacchus, Jim [FL-11] – 2/27/1991
Rep Ballenger, Cass [NC-10] – 3/5/1991
Rep Bateman, Herbert H. [VA-1] – 3/5/1991
Rep Bentley, Helen Delich [MD-2] – 2/6/1991
Rep Berman, Howard L. [CA-26] – 2/6/1991
Rep Bevill, Tom [AL-4] – 2/6/1991
Rep Bilbray, James H. [NV-1] – 2/27/1991
Rep Bliley, Tom [VA-3] – 2/6/1991
Rep Boehlert, Sherwood [NY-25] – 3/5/1991
Rep Borski, Robert A. [PA-3] – 2/27/1991
Rep Boucher, Rick [VA-9] – 2/27/1991
Rep Brewster, Bill K. [OK-3] – 2/27/1991
Rep Broomfield, William S. [MI-18] – 2/27/1991
Rep Brown, George E., Jr. [CA-36] – 2/27/1991
Rep Bruce, Terry L. [IL-19] – 2/27/1991
Rep Bunning, Jim [KY-4] – 2/6/1991
Rep Burton, Dan [IN-6] – 2/27/1991
Rep Bustamante, Albert G. [TX-23] – 3/5/1991
Rep Byron, Beverly B. [MD-6] – 2/27/1991
Rep Camp, Dave [MI-10] – 2/27/1991
Rep Cardin, Benjamin L. [MD-3] – 2/27/1991
Rep Carper, Thomas R. [DE-98] – 2/27/1991
Rep Carr, Bob [MI-6] – 2/27/1991
Rep Chandler, Rod D. [WA-8] – 2/27/1991
Rep Chapman, Jim [TX-1] – 3/5/1991
Rep Clement, Bob [TN-5] – 2/6/1991
Rep Coble, Howard [NC-6] – 2/27/1991
Rep Coleman, Ronald D. [TX-16] – 2/27/1991
Rep Collins, Cardiss [IL-7] – 3/5/1991
Rep Costello, Jerry F. [IL-21] – 3/5/1991
Rep Crane, Philip M. [IL-12] – 3/5/1991
Rep de la Garza, E. [TX-15] – 3/5/1991
Rep de Lugo, Ron [VI] – 2/27/1991
Rep DeFazio, Peter A. [OR-4] – 2/27/1991
Rep DeLauro, Rosa L. [CT-3] – 2/27/1991
Rep Dellums, Ronald V. [CA-8] – 3/5/1991
Rep Dicks, Norman D. [WA-6] – 2/27/1991
Rep Donnelly, Brian J. [MA-11] – 2/27/1991
Rep Dornan, Robert K. [CA-38] – 2/6/1991
Rep Duncan, John J., Jr. [TN-2] – 2/6/1991
Rep Dwyer, Bernard J. [NJ-6] – 2/27/1991
Rep Dymally, Mervyn M. [CA-31] – 2/27/1991
Rep Early, Joseph D. [MA-3] – 3/5/1991
Rep Eckart, Dennis E. [OH-11] – 2/27/1991
Rep Emerson, Bill [MO-8] – 3/5/1991
Rep Erdreich, Ben [AL-6] – 2/27/1991
Rep Espy, Mike [MS-2] – 2/6/1991
Rep Evans, Lane [IL-17] – 3/5/1991
Rep Fascell, Dante B. [FL-19] – 2/6/1991
Rep Fawell, Harris W. [IL-13] – 3/5/1991
Rep Fazio, Vic [CA-4] – 2/6/1991
Rep Feighan, Edward F. [OH-19] – 2/6/1991
Rep Fields, Jack [TX-8] – 3/5/1991
Rep Fish, Hamilton, Jr. [NY-21] – 3/5/1991
Rep Foglietta, Thomas M. [PA-1] – 2/27/1991
Rep Franks, Gary A. [CT-5] – 3/5/1991
Rep Frost, Martin [TX-24] – 2/27/1991
Rep Gallo, Dean A. [NJ-11] – 2/6/1991
Rep Gejdenson, Sam [CT-2] – 3/5/1991
Rep Gekas, George W. [PA-17] – 2/27/1991
Rep Gephardt, Richard A. [MO-3] – 1/31/1991
Rep Gilman, Benjamin A. [NY-22] – 2/27/1991
Rep Gingrich, Newt [GA-6] – 3/5/1991
Rep Gordon, Bart [TN-6] – 2/6/1991
Rep Grandy, Fred [IA-6] – 3/5/1991
Rep Gray, William H., III [PA-2] – 2/27/1991
Rep Green, S. William [NY-15] – 2/27/1991
Rep Guarini, Frank J. [NJ-14] – 3/5/1991
Rep Hansen, James V. [UT-1] – 3/5/1991
Rep Harris, Claude [AL-7] – 2/27/1991
Rep Hastert, J. Dennis [IL-14] – 2/27/1991
Rep Hayes, Charles A. [IL-1] – 2/27/1991
Rep Hefner, W. G. (Bill) [NC-8] – 3/5/1991
Rep Henry, Paul B. [MI-5] – 2/6/1991
Rep Hochbrueckner, George J. [NY-1] – 3/5/1991
Rep Horn, Joan Kelly [MO-2] – 2/27/1991
Rep Horton, Frank J. [NY-29] – 2/6/1991
Rep Houghton, Amo [NY-34] – 2/27/1991
Rep Huckaby, Thomas J. (Jerry) [LA-5] – 2/27/1991
Rep Hughes, William J. [NJ-2] – 2/27/1991
Rep Hyde, Henry J. [IL-6] – 3/5/1991
Rep Inhofe, James M. [OK-1] – 2/27/1991
Rep Ireland, Andrew P. [FL-10] – 2/6/1991
Rep Jacobs, Andrew, Jr. [IN-10] – 2/27/1991
Rep Jenkins, Edgar L. [GA-9] – 3/5/1991
Rep Johnson, Nancy L. [CT-6] – 3/5/1991
Rep Johnson, Tim [SD] – 2/27/1991
Rep Jones, Walter B. [NC-1] – 2/27/1991
Rep Jontz, Jim [IN-5] – 2/27/1991
Rep Kaptur, Marcy [OH-9] – 2/27/1991
Rep Kasich, John R. [OH-12] – 3/5/1991
Rep Kennelly, Barbara B. [CT-1] – 3/5/1991
Rep Kleczka, Gerald D. [WI-4] – 2/27/1991
Rep Klug, Scott L. [WI-2] – 2/27/1991
Rep Kolter, Joseph P. [PA-4] – 2/27/1991
Rep Kopetski, Mike [OR-5] – 2/6/1991
Rep Kostmayer, Peter H. [PA-8] – 3/5/1991
Rep LaFalce, John J. [NY-32] – 2/6/1991
Rep Lagomarsino, Robert J. [CA-19] – 2/27/1991
Rep Lancaster, H. Martin [NC-3] – 3/5/1991
Rep Lantos, Tom [CA-11] – 2/27/1991
Rep Leach, James A. [IA-1] – 2/27/1991
Rep Lehman, Richard H. [CA-18] – 3/5/1991
Rep Lehman, William [FL-17] – 2/27/1991
Rep Lent, Norman F. [NY-4] – 2/6/1991
Rep Levin, Sander M. [MI-17] – 2/27/1991
Rep Lewis, Jerry [CA-35] – 3/5/1991
Rep Lewis, Thomas F. [FL-12] – 2/27/1991
Rep Lipinski, William O. [IL-5] – 2/27/1991
Rep Livingston, Bob [LA-1] – 2/6/1991
Rep Lloyd, Marilyn [TN-3] – 2/6/1991
Rep Long, Jill L. [IN-4] – 2/6/1991
Rep Lowey, Nita M. [NY-20] – 3/5/1991
Rep Machtley, Ronald K. [RI-1] – 3/5/1991
Rep Markey, Edward J. [MA-7] – 2/27/1991
Rep Martin, David O’B. [NY-26] – 2/6/1991
Rep Martinez, Matthew G. [CA-30] – 2/27/1991
Rep Mavroules, Nicholas [MA-6] – 3/5/1991
Rep McCollum, Bill [FL-5] – 2/27/1991
Rep McGrath, Raymond J. [NY-5] – 2/27/1991
Rep McHugh, Matthew F. [NY-28] – 3/5/1991
Rep McNulty, Michael R. [NY-23] – 2/27/1991
Rep Meyers, Jan [KS-3] – 3/5/1991
Rep Miller, John R. [WA-1] – 2/27/1991
Rep Mink, Patsy T. [HI-2] – 2/6/1991
Rep Moakley, John Joseph [MA-9] – 3/5/1991
Rep Molinari, Susan [NY-14] – 2/27/1991
Rep Montgomery, G. V. (Sonny) [MS-3] – 2/6/1991
Rep Moody, Jim [WI-5] – 2/27/1991
Rep Moorhead, Carlos J. [CA-22] – 2/27/1991
Rep Morella, Constance A. [MD-8] – 3/5/1991
Rep Morrison, Sid [WA-4] – 2/27/1991
Rep Mrazek, Robert J. [NY-3] – 3/5/1991
Rep Murphy, Austin J. [PA-22] – 2/27/1991
Rep Nagle, Dave R, [IA-3] – 2/27/1991
Rep Neal, Richard E. [MA-2] – 2/27/1991
Rep Nowak, Henry [NY-33] – 2/27/1991
Rep Oberstar, James L. [MN-8] – 3/5/1991
Rep Obey, David R. [WI-7] – 2/27/1991
Rep Ortiz, Solomon P. [TX-27] – 2/27/1991
Rep Owens, Major R. [NY-12] – 3/5/1991
Rep Pallone, Frank, Jr. [NJ-3] – 2/27/1991
Rep Panetta, Leon [CA-16] – 2/27/1991
Rep Patterson, Elizabeth [SC-4] – 2/27/1991
Rep Paxon, Bill [NY-31] – 2/6/1991
Rep Payne, Donald M. [NJ-10] – 2/6/1991
Rep Perkins, Carl C. [KY-7] – 2/6/1991
Rep Peterson, Collin C. [MN-7] – 2/27/1991
Rep Peterson, Douglas (Pete) [FL-2] – 2/27/1991
Rep Petri, Thomas E. [WI-6] – 3/5/1991
Rep Pickett, Owen B. [VA-2] – 2/27/1991
Rep Pickle, J. J. [TX-10] – 2/27/1991
Rep Porter, John Edward [IL-10] – 2/27/1991
Rep Poshard, Glenn [IL-22] – 2/27/1991
Rep Price, David E. [NC-4] – 2/27/1991
Rep Quillen, James H. (Jimmy) [TN-1] – 3/5/1991
Rep Rahall, Nick J., II [WV-4] – 2/27/1991
Rep Ramstad, Jim [MN-3] – 2/6/1991
Rep Rangel, Charles B. [NY-16] – 2/27/1991
Rep Ravenel, Arthur, Jr. [SC-1] – 3/5/1991
Rep Regula, Ralph [OH-16] – 2/27/1991
Rep Rinaldo, Matthew J. [NJ-7] – 2/27/1991
Rep Ritter, Don [PA-15] – 2/27/1991
Rep Roberts, Pat [KS-1] – 2/6/1991
Rep Roe, Robert A. [NJ-8] – 2/27/1991
Rep Roemer, Tim [IN-3] – 2/27/1991
Rep Ros-Lehtinen, Ileana [FL-18] – 2/27/1991
Rep Rose, Charlie [NC-7] – 2/27/1991
Rep Rowland, J. Roy [GA-8] – 2/27/1991
Rep Roybal, Edward R. [CA-25] – 2/6/1991
Rep Russo, Martin A. [IL-3] – 2/27/1991
Rep Sabo, Martin Olav [MN-5] – 2/27/1991
Rep Sangmeister, George E. [IL-4] – 2/27/1991
Rep Santorum, Rick [PA-18] – 2/27/1991
Rep Saxton, Jim [NJ-13] – 2/27/1991
Rep Scheuer, James H. [NY-8] – 2/27/1991
Rep Schumer, Charles E. [NY-10] – 2/27/1991
Rep Serrano, Jose E. [NY-18] – 2/27/1991
Rep Sharp, Philip R. [IN-2] – 3/5/1991
Rep Shaw, E. Clay, Jr. [FL-15] – 3/5/1991
Rep Shays, Christopher [CT-4] – 2/27/1991
Rep Shuster, Bud [PA-9] – 3/5/1991
Rep Sisisky, Norman [VA-4] – 3/5/1991
Rep Skaggs, David E. [CO-2] – 2/27/1991
Rep Skeen, Joe [NM-2] – 3/5/1991
Rep Slattery, Jim [KS-2] – 2/6/1991
Rep Smith, Christopher H. [NJ-4] – 3/5/1991
Rep Smith, Lamar [TX-21] – 3/5/1991
Rep Smith, Lawrence [FL-16] – 2/27/1991
Rep Smith, Robert [OR-2] – 3/5/1991
Rep Snowe, Olympia J. [ME-2] – 3/5/1991
Rep Solarz, Stephen J. [NY-13] – 2/27/1991
Rep Solomon, Gerald B. H. [NY-24] – 3/5/1991
Rep Spratt, John M., Jr. [SC-5] – 3/5/1991
Rep Stenholm, Charles W. [TX-17] – 3/5/1991
Rep Stump, Bob [AZ-3] – 2/6/1991
Rep Swett, Dick [NH-2] – 3/5/1991
Rep Synar, Mike [OK-2] – 2/27/1991
Rep Taylor, Gene [MS-5] – 2/27/1991
Rep Thomas, Lindsay [GA-1] – 2/27/1991
Rep Thomas, William M. [CA-20] – 2/27/1991
Rep Torricelli, Robert G. [NJ-9] – 3/5/1991
Rep Towns, Edolphus [NY-11] – 2/27/1991
Rep Traficant, James A., Jr. [OH-17] – 2/6/1991
Rep Traxler, Bob [MI-8] – 2/6/1991
Rep Unsoeld, Jolene [WA-3] – 2/27/1991
Rep Upton, Fred [MI-4] – 2/27/1991
Rep Valentine, Tim [NC-2] – 2/27/1991
Rep Vento, Bruce F. [MN-4] – 3/5/1991
Rep Walsh, James T. [NY-27] – 2/27/1991
Rep Waxman, Henry A. [CA-24] – 3/5/1991
Rep Weber, Vin [MN-2] – 2/27/1991
Rep Weiss, Ted [NY-17] – 3/5/1991
Rep Wilson, Charles [TX-2] – 2/27/1991
Rep Wise, Robert E., Jr. [WV-3] – 2/27/1991
Rep Wolf, Frank R. [VA-10] – 2/6/1991
Rep Wolpe, Howard E. [MI-3] – 3/5/1991
Rep Wyden, Ron [OR-3] – 3/5/1991
Rep Yatron, Gus [PA-6] – 2/27/1991
Rep Zimmer, Dick [NJ-12] – 2/27/1991

3. sdcheung - October 8, 2010

This was my stab at it.

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,20597.msg331472.html#msg331472

It’s an altogether JewEdomite loving “orthodox” board.

The Prodigal Son - October 12, 2010

sdcheung,

I think I had you mixed up with someone else.

Pleased to make your acquaintance.

†IC XC†
†NI KA†

4. sdcheung - October 13, 2010

Pleased to meet yours.
I discovered your blog through Akira’s blog.

The Prodigal Son - October 13, 2010

I wondered if you knew Akira…

Do you know of any other Orthodox forums? Somewhere a little less Judaized/Protestant in flavor would be nice.

5. sdcheung - October 14, 2010

Unfortunately no, we might have to set it up ourselves.

6. david - December 1, 2010

makes me want to drink alchoholic beverages

The Prodigal Son - December 2, 2010

(…) makes me want to drink alchoholic beverages”

… Well that goes without saying.

My advice: Go to Church instead.

7. 正教会の智 - December 18, 2010

Re: “makes me want to drink alchoholic beverages”

And: “Go to Church instead.”

— You don’t have wine at Church?

The Prodigal Son - December 18, 2010

You don’t have wine at Church?

Ha, yes of course! But when we consume it – that is become the blood of Christ. Does it cease to be alcoholic? No… but for me – I don’t believe I would consider it to be an “alcoholic beverage” at that point.

Somehow I doubt if David is thirsting for the Eucharist when he calls for alcoholic beverages! The plural ‘beverages’ intimates a desire for more than one – which would suggest intoxication and/or an escape from reality to be the motive here.

†IC XC†
†NI KA†

8. 正教会の智 - December 18, 2010

sdcheung:

“we might have to set it up ourselves.”

— I think so too.

How about starting at Facejew, perhaps with a Jewtube account connected? Then after connecting with enough people, start a forum?

Make everyone agree with the Nicean-Constantinopolitan Creed and various NT verses (i.e. “I swear I will not be constricted or guided out of fear of the Jews…” (John 7…, etc) — it won’t keep liars out, but it’ll make clear exactly what it’s all about.


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