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Old Testament VS New Testament – A Different God? October 16, 2012

Posted by The Prodigal Son in Christianity, Jews, Lies & Propaganda, Orthodox Christianity.
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Patriarchs of the Church Abraham, Isaac and Jacob

I happened upon a blog posting by someone calling themselves ‘Video Rebel’ (Lol) and ‘Horse 237’ a couple of days ago… The title of the post was ‘They Dance To Daijal’s (Anti-Christ’s) Tune’ (HERE).

I had been on his site a few times before, and had made comments without issue. Commenting on his latest offering  (and on the comments made there by others) though has turned out to be an exercise in futility. When others replied to my initial comment two of my subsequent comments were ‘disappeared’ for what seems to me to be no good reason.

Whatever. It’s his site and obviously he’s free to delete whatever he wants to delete. But it all seemed very arbitrary to me because the similar comments and replies made by others were (and have since been) allowed to stand. He says I was off topic or whatever… but the others were (and still are) discussing the same things that I was so I’m a little bewildered as to why my comments were disallowed.

It seems ‘Horse’ is confused (or overly paranoid) because he has also accused me of posting under a different name and conversing with myself (which is ridiculous and easily disproved by a look at our respective IP addresses). Needless to say I was not conversing with myself.

Anyhow, I put a bit of time and effort into my responses, and if there’s anything I hate – it’s wasting my time! So I guess I’ll just post them here. I notice I’m getting hits from the Video Rebel’s page… Maybe we can converse freely here. Folks can rest assured that I at least won’t just delete things here!

Like I told ‘Horse’: WordPress affords us UNLIMITED space and bandwith for free. A million comments would not detract in the slightest from the main postings. Why even have a comments section (and a threaded one at that!) if you’re not going to allow subsequent discussion & discourse? That’s what comments sections are for! I just don’t get it.

Anyhow, the whole reason I responded was the following sentence:

Muslims believe that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah and they also believe in the Virgin Birth.”

I really do abhor this ridiculous, made up word ‘Jewish’. There was never any such thing! Even Br. Nathanael I’ve heard referring to Jesus as ‘the Jewish Messiah’. Damnit!

Then someone else named ‘Kalki’ made the following comment:

Abrahamic/Judaic religions(Islam, Christianity and Judaism) are a curse on humanity. I hope the ‘religious’ nutcases wake up to some fresh Colombian coffee some day and give it all up.”

So my initial response was directed at Horse and Kalki:

Muslims believe that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah…

Well then they’re wrong. Jesus is the Messiah but He is not ‘Jewish’.

https://christconquers.wordpress.com/2011/06/10/benjamin-freedman-speaks-on-zionism-and-the-so-called-jews/

Kalki syays:

Abrahamic/Judaic religions(Islam, Christianity and Judaism) are a curse on humanity.

Abrahamic and Judaic are not the same thing.

Abraham was not a ‘Jew’. Neither were Isaac or Jacob.

Moses, Aaron, Joshua… none of these were ‘Jews’.

Jesus Christ is ‘Abraham’s Seed’. Moses wrote of and looked to Jesus.

‘Judaics’ reject Jesus, therefore they reject Moses, they reject Abraham; they reject the God who sent Him.

This comment (last I looked) has been allowed to stand. Not sure why this one could stay while the next couple had to go… Maybe too many others responded to me and ‘Horsie’ was jealous? Who knows… No matter now. Here are the deleted ones:

(This was in response to a reply to me made by ‘Kalki’. Kalki’s words indented in italics)

Abraham is not a Jew? Moses is not a Jew?

That’s what I said.

Jesus is not a Jew?

Well… Let’s take baby steps. First I’d like you to define ‘Jew’ for me.

Jews are not Jews…. Ummm… So who is?

Jews are Jews. I’ll concede to that. They call themselves ‘Jews’ and identify as ‘Jews’ – so in our world today that’s what they are.

It just sounds like you are trying to distance Christ from a Jewish origin…

At the time of Christ’s Incarnation as the Person of Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ – there was no such term as ‘Jewish’. Jewish is a relatively new English word with with a modern context and modern connotations not applicable to the Bible.

That is a losing battle.

We’ll see about that.

Christ did reject Judaism but he came from the same tribe.

I think you’re a little mixed up. ‘Judaism’ as we now know it is clearly not a ‘tribe’ but an anti-Christ ‘religious’ cult based on post-New Testament/post-Temple Pharisaism.

So that one went down the memory hole… along with this reply to ‘Drew’ (whose words are italicized) :

Drew,

While I admire the teachings of Jesus Christ and the love He represents, for the longest time I saw Him as aligned with the fiery, angry god of the Old Testament who only seemed to care about “his people.” This was a source of irreconcilable discomfort to me.

Your feelings of discomfort are nothing new. Others have been here before you.

Does not a loving father sometimes get angry at his children? Is not that father’s anger a consequence of the love and care he has for his children? Is not the Loving Father’s anger sometimes justified?

God in the Old Covenant Scriptures cared for His people specifically because it was through them that He would bring the Messiah; when God would enter this world, and die on the tree of the Cross that He might defeat death by entering into death, which could not hold Him.

Through love for His people, He brought love and salvation for all the of peoples of the world who would accept Him, those who came before and those who came after.

The God of the New Testament is the God of the Old Testament, as Christ Himself attests to:

“You search the (Old Testament) Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.”
– Gospel of John, 5:39

I saw Jesus as someone who broke tradition in order to teach us that His Father belonged to everyone. In other words, I see Him as completely divorced from the Old Testament.

Well, I’m sorry but you’re wrong. Again, this notion is nothing new… There is nothing new under the sun. It’s an old heresy called ‘Marcionism’ after the name of its first major proponent – Marcion of Sinope, ca 144 AD.

The Old Covenant has been perfected and fulfilled in Him. Jesus the Christ cannot be ‘divorced’ from the Old Testament Scriptures which taught of Him, and spoke of Him. The Old Covenant Scriptures are part of the Bible because they, through the prophets predicted His very coming as the Messiah of Israel; the Savior of the world.

In addition, many “historians” in the employ of the Zionist Bankmasters are trying to portray Jesus as a fictional character who may never have existed. I understand that this is part of their plan to disillusion humanity. They have, at every turn, tried to confuse the innocent by providing a cacophony of ideas.

This is very true. Old school Communist, atheist brainwashing….

This said, do we have any real historical evidence proving Jesus’ existence? I do not believe that a Loving God would want us to abandon our quest for the Truth as I believe that the Truth could only lead those seeking it further to Him.

You’re absolutely correct. A genuine and honest search for the truth will lead one to Jesus because Jesus is Truth Incarnate.

Here: Does Jesus the Christ Really Exist? – Evidence For the Historical Jesus of Nazareth

I literally have no clue why the ‘Video Rebel’ would delete that. But that’s what he did.

There. Now I feel better. Weird? Maybe… But true nonetheless.

Christ ascending from Hades, freeing Old Testament figures Adam, Abraham, Moses, David, etc, the Old Covenant Saints from the curse of death

~~~ ~ ~ ~~~

†IC XC†

†NI KA†

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1. Vin DiCator - October 16, 2012

Good for you.

Stand firm.

A couple of notes: First, WordPress deleted my blog without warning or real reason and refused to respond to three emails asking for details. (I subsequently set up a full-fledged website to continue my War. Here is the link to the first post on this site: Trust Christ or Go to Hell

Second, Jesus is King of the Jews and the Jews hate that. :) Remind them of this to the End.

Third, the image you show relating to the Old Testament saints should not have them connected to Hades as they were in Abraham’s bosom, not Hell, the residence of Satan and his angels.

The Prodigal Son - October 16, 2012

WordPress deleted my blog…

I’m not surprised. I guess you had it backed up?

Jesus is King of the Jews and the Jews hate that.

Well, Jesus is King of all peoples and all things. Pilate wrote what he did in a mocking way to spite those who had forced his hand in crucifying the Christ. The Judean Pharisees wanted him to change it. Pilate refused.

Jesus Christ is a Galilean.

The image you show relating to the Old Testament saints should not have them connected to Hades as they were in Abraham’s bosom, not Hell, the residence of Satan and his angels.

You’re mixed up.

  • Hades = Sheol
  • Hell = Gehenna

Hell and Hades are not synonymous.

Vin DiCator - October 16, 2012

I was able to upload my blog to the site completely. Miraculous, actually, since the PTB (Powers That Be) from Canada and the antiChrists@WordPress conspired to shut it down without warning.

Why aren’t you surprised that WP deleted my blog? Whose side are you on??

The false Jews are the Synagogue of Satan as Jesus said in Revelation. And yes, He is the King of kings and Lord of lords.

As for “mixed up”, actually you are: hades and gehenna ARE used interchangeably to describe the FIRES of Hell. :)

Luke 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes , being in torments , and seeth Abraham afar off , and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house:

28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

The HELL used in this passage – Luke 16:23 – is translated from the Greek HADES.

Further, this example that Jesus taught also proves the place where Abraham and Lazarus were before Christ rose from the grave: neither were in hades/gehenna…but the rich man was tormented in the FLAME.

Got it?

Good. :)

The Prodigal Son - October 16, 2012

Ha, yeah whatever.

Why aren’t you surprised that WP deleted my blog?

It’s been known to happen.

The HELL used in this passage – Luke 16:23 – is translated from the Greek HADES.

You mean mistranslated.

Hades and Hell are not the same thing man.

“The King James Version caused lasting confusion by translating both Greek words ᾅδης (hades) and γέεννα (gehenna) as ‘hell.’ This is often reflected in older Orthodox liturgical texts which say that ‘Christ descended into hell.’

However, properly speaking, ‘hell’ is theologically equivalent to gehenna or to ‘the lake of fire’ of the ‘second death’ (Rev. 20:14; 21:8). On the other hand, hades is the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew שְׁאוֹל (sheol)—the common place or state of the reposed. Paradise (Luke 23:43) or Abraham’s bosom (Luke 16:22) were understood as places or conditions within hades-sheol. Hence, the spirits of the righteous of old, as well as that of the repentant thief and of our Lord himself went into hades, but not into hell (gehenna or ‘the lake of fire’).”

The Eastern/Greek Orthodox Bible (EOB) – New Testament, p. 24

Here, check this out: The Descent Of Jesus Into Hades

Vin DiCator - October 17, 2012

Clearly you must give up your Eastern/Greek Orthodox LIES – and put those LIARS in the stocks and beat them publickly for all to see.

You can’t even read English and context! Rather, you have to fall back on some bunch of lying idiots who can’t either!

C’mon. Don’t be PROUD. PRIDE is a devil. Humble yourself and READ the verses I posted. Anyone can see that HADES (translated hell in the KJV) speaks of FLAMES for those in it (rich man) and obviously NO FLAMES & NO HADES for Abraham and Lazarus.

To equate HADES with Paradise is blasphemous.

Get real man. And REPENT.

Oh, and don’t lean on those who put an actual title of FATHER (Fr.) before their names. Jesus told us specifically NOT to call any many FATHER.

The Prodigal Son - October 17, 2012

Obviously you never read the link I posted for you.

I can read just fine. English seems to be your problem.

… HADES (translated hell in the KJV)

Forget Hell. Forget Hades.

The Hebrew word which was translated as Hades (in the Septuaigint) was Sheol OK?

Sheol is not ‘Hell’. Sheol is simply the abode of the dead. Ergo Hades is simply the abode of the dead.

‘Abraham’s Bosom’ was in Sheol. Abraham’s Bosom was in Hades. Abraham’s Bosom was not in Hell.

Before Christ conquered death, all went to Sheol. All went to Hades.

When Christ conquered death (by entering death, entering Sheol; entering Hades) He freed those righteous from Abraham’s Bosom.

The unrighteous dead STILL go to Sheol; still go to Hades, where they experience a foretaste of Gehenna – which is Hell.

Hell is not Hades. OK?

Oh, and don’t lean on those who put an actual title of FATHER (Fr.) before their names. Jesus told us specifically NOT to call any many FATHER.

Really? This is all basic stuff buddy…

What do you call the man who impregnated your mother?

“‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'”
– Jesus Christ, Matthew 19:19

“Which of the two did the will of his father?”
– Jesus Christ, Matthew 21:31

“If a son asks for bread from any father among you, will he give him a stone?”
– Jesus Christ, Luke 11:11

“Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
– Jesus Christ, John 8:56

“‘… Those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all’ (as it is written, “I have made you a father of many nations”)”
– St. Paul, Romans 4:16,17

“For this is the word of promise: ‘At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.’ And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac…”
– St. Paul, Romans 9:9,10

“But I trust in the Lord Jesus to send Timothy to you shortly, (…) you know his proven character, that as a son with his father he served with me in the gospel.”
– St. Paul, 2:19-22

“You are witnesses, and God also, how devoutly and justly and blamelessly we behaved ourselves among you who believe; 11 as you know how we exhorted, and comforted, and charged every one of you, as a father does his own children…”
– St. Paul, I Thessalonians 2:10

“Do not rebuke an older man, but exhort him as a father, younger men as brothers…”
– St. Paul, I Timothy 5:1

“Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?”
– St. James the Just, James 2:21

“For though you might have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet you do not have many fathers; for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.”
– St. Paul, I Corinthians 4:15

Here are yet more examples: ‘Fathers’

2. christiantraditionalist83 - October 24, 2012

Well done. Seems to me that Vindicator needs to give up his Protestant heretical schismatic lies, not we give up our Orthodox Truth that even many “Orthodox” modernizers try to play down!

The unbridled hubris of calling the theologians and great minds of the Apostolic age and the original early Church liars! Anathema, sir.

The Prodigal Son - October 24, 2012

Amen!

3. orthodoxchristian2 - January 24, 2014

So true. I am sick of people that try to come in, and corrupt our faith. I want the Orthodox Church to stay Orthodox, thank you very much.
Thanks for the post!


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