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… As the People of God: Setting Things Straight

Compiled from On Behalf of All

Part I – Who is a Jew?

Most evangelical Christians today believe that the ‘Jews’ are the true ”children of God” and that they hold a distinct place in “God’s eyes” from that of the Church, despite their rejection of the Messiah (Jesus) and His Gospel – and consequently, their rejection of traditional and Scriptural “Judaism” or the religion of the ancient Hebrew people (as taught by the “Old Testament” Scriptures). In other words, the Church is supposedly just a bump on the log of redemptive history, and the “main event” revolves around the ‘Jewish people’.

To even begin to dive into this subject (which is extremely controversial in the present day, especially among American, evangelical sects of Christianity), it is necessary to take a giant leap backwards and consider many ideas and concepts individually, in order to do this overview any justice whatsoever. While these viewpoints are a drastic minority in both present day Christianity and in Church history, they represent an extremely influential viewpoint among protestants in the United States (but this has been the case only since the mid-19th century).

For example:

Who are the ‘Jews’, and what makes one ‘Jewish’?

What promises did God make to the Hebrews regarding the ancient land of Israel, and how does that correlate to the modern ‘Jewish’ nation-state calling itself Israel in the Palestine today?

What do the Scriptures say regarding Israel and how the Hebrew people are to be considered in relation to the Christian Church?

It is along these three questions that I will attempt to give an extremely brief and broad-reaching analysis of Israel as the “people of God.”

One of the biggest problems when discussing Israel, Judaism and the Church is that even saying words like ‘Jews’ or ‘Israel’ begs the question and is non-specific while being variously and contrarily viewed by many, many people (even among the Jews). ‘Jewish’ is viewed as both a religion and an ethnicity, both together and separately by various people, and ‘Israel’ is associated with the ‘Jewish’ nation-state of the present day as well as a nation and people of God in the old testament Scriptures.

Firstly, the question of “who is a Jew?” is not an offensive or ‘racist’ (in the pejorative sense of the term) question to pose, as the ‘Jews’ themselves pose this question and have written and expended a great deal of energy on this very inquiry.

All traditional Jewish sects today agree (according to the halakha) that one is a Jew either by birth (following the mother’s line of descent, or “matrilineally,” with ultra-conservatives saying both parents must be Jewish) or by conversion to Judaism (the religion, obviously, since one cannot convert to another ethnicity).

Already, one is faced with a great number of serious issues and controversies.

For starters, due to the diaspora, the emergence of Christianity in first century AD and mass conversions, the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 and the inter-marrying of Jewish people with non-Jewish people over the last two-thousand years, the likelihood of very many “Jews” (according to their own definition) remaining in existence – at least according to the matrilineal birth definition – is slim to none. In other words, from an “ethnic” standpoint (which begs the question whether Jews or the people of Israel had the same ethnic heritage to begin with – they did not), there are likely very few Jewish people in the world – at least, in a “pure” and ethnic/genetic sense of the word (and according to their own definitions).

This only leaves the existence of “religious” Jews, in my opinion, since most Jewish people today are of various ethnic and national descent (and the overwhelming majority live in the United States, and not in the Jewish state or the middle east). In fact, the Arabs (including millions of Arab Christians) are more “purely” Semitic people than any Jewish people in the world today, from a strictly genetic viewpoint. The genetics of Arabs and Jewish people in the middle east are closely related (with Arabs having a greater percentage of J1 Y-chromosomes than Jews), most likely due to the conquest of Palestine by the Muslims in the seventh century AD. Jewish genetics (in the middle east) also show a close connection with that of the Kurds. So really, when one speaks of being descended from a ‘Jewish’ mother, the identity of ‘Jew’ is only meaningful when considering the religious and pseudo-religious heritage of the Jewish people – not genetics. It just gets far too complicated, and without DNA history spanning the centuries, there’s really no way to tell for certain.

Furthermore, the Scriptures fail to indicate that being a ‘Jew’ or child of God / child of Israel had anything to do with ethnicity. Rather, the people of Israel were a religious people who had been delivered (“saved,” if you will) from Egypt by the mighty power of God through His prophet Moses, and who then paid homage to this deliverance and offered worship to their God in each successive generation through a variety of rites or traditions (e.g. the tabernacle/temple and sacrificial system of worship), prayers, hymns, etc. A “mixed multitude” (Exodus 12:38) of people enjoyed the deliverance of God from the hands of Egypt, and Israel remained a mixed multitude through the various exiles and dispersion down to the days of Christ.

The prohibitions against inter-marriage as found in the Torah (which, by the way, never mentions the importance of matrilineal descent – this is a tradition of post-Christian Talmudic Judaism) were not for the purposes of preserving a genetic lineage; rather, it was for the preserving of the religion of Israel: “Nor shall you make marriages with them. You shall not give your daughter to his son, nor take his daughter for your son. For she will turn your son away from Me, and he will serve other gods …” (Deuteronomy 7:3-4 LXX). This is the same reason Saint Paul exhorts the first Christians to not be “unequally yoked” with the non-faithful (2 Corinthians 6:14).

If the identity of the Jewish people, therefore, is marked by their religious beliefs and practices, there are a number of problems to consider.

For example, the Judaism seen in the old testament Scriptures and as practiced by various Jewish sects at the time of Christ is no longer in existence, nor is it practiced or believed by any Jewish people in the world today. To identify modern-day Jewish people with the Israelites of the old testament would be tantamount to calling people that gather to pray to Jesus but don’t believe in the Trinity and don’t perform Baptism or celebrate the Eucharist (or “Lord’s Supper”) “Christians.” Of course, in our pluralistic culture, such nonsense is rather possible.

This, of course, all revolves around the destruction of the second Temple in AD 70 by the Roman army and the fact that it has never been rebuilt. Not only this, but also the mass conversion of the Jewish sects to Christianity in the first century (both before and after the sacking of Jerusalem by Rome) left very few Jewish people (speaking of the religion, of course) in the world at all. Before and during Christ’s life, there were the sects of the Sadducees, Essenes, Zealots and the Pharisees. Following AD 70, these sects and distinctions vanished, and there was only left “rabbinical Judaism” (the continuation of the Pharisees) with a mixture of various non-traditional people (post-Sadducees, if you will, who reject everything but the Torah as divinely inspired).

The idea that there was one Jewish religion is a falsity and especially so in the days of Second Temple Judaism – the identification of Jewish people by their religious beliefs becomes a game of “pick and choose” where one must discern which sect is the correct one while sorting out their varied and contradictory beliefs and traditions. Complicating matters worse, there are a great number of “Jewish” people today that are atheists or reject any semblance of traditional Judaism altogether, and yet they are still considered and referred to as “Jews,” even by the most strict of traditional Jewish people! In fact, the number of atheists among the self-identified Jewish people has been drastically on the rise over the last century or so, and people such as Karl Marx – the author of Marxism and forerunner for communism, a radically atheistic political system and worldview – were prime examples of this type of “Jew.” Karl Marx isn’t exactly Moses.

In today’s world, there are a new group of sects under the banner of “Judaism,” such as the Orthodox (the majority and heirs of rabbinical Judaism), Conservative, Reform and Reconstructionist Judaism. Among these groups (especially in Orthodox Judaism) and outside of them is a markedly non-Christian, esoteric tradition that has no support or inspiration from the Torah or other writings of the Old Testament Scriptures (e.g. Kabbalah, which has gained popularity in our day through its promotion by new age, non-religious and atheistic followers, both Jewish and non-Jewish, religiously speaking).

The beliefs of the largest sect of modern-day Judaism – the Orthodox Jews – are centered around the so-called ‘Oral Laws’ of Moses; a portion of what was eventually to become known as the Talmud, which was codified in the Mishnah (AD 200) and the Gemara (AD 500) by the remnants of post-Christian Pharisees. These writings are (obviously mistakenly) believed to be the divinely-inspired “commentary” or “interpretation” of the Books of Moses, which they claim was also given to Moses at the same time he received the written Torah from God (although this so-called ‘Oral Torah’ was not committed to writing until many centuries later, as found in the Talmud).

What should concern Christians most when it comes to the writings of the Talmud is the radically anti-Christian and anti-Gentile (Goyim) viewpoints it espouses, replete with the worst of racism and even non-Theistic beliefs. Given that Talmudic (Pharisaic) Judaism is by far the most predominant form of Judaism in the world today, it should be given the most attention as representative of the type of ‘Judaism’ as passed down from the remnants of the first century (Second Temple Pharisaism, as seen in the days of Christ and the early Church) to the present day.

While many evangelical Christians likely hold to the notion that the followers of today’s so-called ‘Judaism’ have a strong affinity for the Old Testament Scriptures (straining to identify present-day ‘Jewish’ people with the people of Israel in their Old Testament), this is not the case.

The Talmud actually teaches that the Talmud itself is more important than the Scriptures:

“Those who devote themselves to reading the Bible exercise a certain virtue, but not very much; those who study theMischnah exercise virtue for which they will receive a reward; those, however, who take upon themselves to study theGemarah exercise the highest virtue.”
– Babha Metsia, fol. 33a

“The Sacred Scripture is like water, the Mischnah wine, and the Gemarah aromatic wine.”
– Sopherim XV, 7, fol. 13b

“My son, give heed to the words of the scribes rather than to the words of the law.”
– Erubhin, fol. 21b

“He who transgresses the words of the scribes sins more gravely than the transgressors of the words of the law.”
– Sanhedrin X, 3, fol. 88b

Along with an extremely low view of the Old Testament Scriptures (incidentally, most Jews today only believe the five Books of Moses or Torah were divinely-inspired – not the whole of the Old Testament), the Talmud and mainstream ‘Judaism’ (the direct descendant of New Testament Pharisaism) promotes extremist and offensive anti-Christian viewpoints.

For example, the Talmud refers to Jesus as Jeschu, rather than the proper Hebrew name Jeschua (which means “savior”). The name Jeschu is an anagram for the phrase in Hebrew “May his name and memory be blotted out.” Other references to Christ in the Talmud include the phrases “that man,” “a certain one,” “the carpenter’s son” and “the one who was hanged.” In various places, the Talmud and rabbinical Jews teach that Jesus was a bastard conceived during a menstrual cycle (cf. Kallah, fol. 1b/18b; the menstrual cycle reference being a reference to uncleanness known as ‘Niddah’ in Judaism); that he had “the soul of Esau”; that he was a fool (Schabbath, fol. 104b), a conjurer/magician (Toldoth Jeschu), an idolater (Sanhedrin fol. 103a) and a seducer (Sanhedrin fol. 107b); that he was buried in Gehenna (translated as “hell” in modern-day English Bibles) and worshiped as an “idol” and false god by his disciples (Zohar, III, 282; cf. Maimonides, Hilkoth Akum and Hilkoth Melahkim).

The Talmud also makes reference in numerous places to the necessity and nobility of showing cruelty towards Christians/Gentiles as well as deceiving them, hindering their success in the world and even murdering them.

Suffice to say, the Pharisaic Judaism of the rabbinical tradition has very little to do with the people of Israel in the Old Testament and their faith in God as their Deliverer and Salvation. The destruction of their Temple (and therefore, religion) in AD 70 and the rapid expansion of Christianity following the conversion of Saint Constantine the Great in the fourth century AD led to the need to re-define, re-imagine and re-examine ‘Judaism’ in a post-resurrection, Christian world.

While this has been extremely brief, abbreviated and broad, I hope this overview of the ‘Jewish’ (Judaic) people serves as a helpful starting point for one’s own studies and investigations regarding their history and beliefs.

Again, in order to avoid any confusion, I’m not making judgments against a certain “race” of people or being antisemitic by bringing up these points (in fact, the Church I belong to is Semitic, hailing from Damascus in Syria, and I have a great love for the Semitic peoples) – my reference to the ‘Jews’ is to a generally associated religious people as most clearly and traditionally expressed by the Orthodox, rabbinical Jews of the present day.

To be truthful, the evangelical Christians and even secularists who treat all Arab people indiscriminately with disdain and suspicion (no doubt due to the current “war on terror”) are far more antisemitic than anyone else in the world today. The tragic irony, of course, is that by showing mis-placed and abiblical favoritism to the anti-Christian modern ‘Jewish’ nation-state in Palestine, many Christians are supporting the persecution of Arab Christians and their isolation and dispersion throughout the middle east and the rest of the world.

As a Christian, I have no respect or love for the religion of ‘Judaism’ – it is anti-Christian, it rejects the Incarnation and Resurrection of Jesus Christ, it promotes violence and hatred towards non-Jewish people and it has created a troubling and volatile political situation in the middle east that will never be solved so long as mis-guided Christians in America show the people of the Jewish state unwavering support. However, I also strongly believe that God loves the ‘Jewish’ people (as He does all people), that they are in need of salvation from sin and death through Jesus Christ (as am I), and that they should be prayed for and shown love by all Christians (even amidst persecution and injustice).

We should not hide the truth of or shrink from sharing the Gospel from them (more on this in my third post) because we think they are the “children of God” by ethnicity, for all are in need of union with Jesus Christ and the transformation of our soul and body through the Grace of the Holy Spirit and by eating the true body and blood of Jesus. The true children of Abraham are children by faith and through union with the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ – not through blood or genetics.

In my next post, I will give another brief and broad overview of the promises God made to the Biblical people of Israel regarding their “holy land” and what these promises entail for both Christians and Jewish people living in the world today.

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Part II – The Jewish State

So then, what promises did God make to the Hebrews regarding the land of Israel, and how does that correlate to the modern Jewish nation-state in the middle east today?

This is where things get really dicey, especially when considering present-day politics and the beliefs of evangelical Christians on this very point.

Considering that the “Christian vote” essentially determines an election in the U.S. and that evangelical Christians represent a large segment of American, Christian voters (dwarfed only by Roman Catholics), any candidate that doesn’t wholeheartedly support the Jewish nation-state has written for themselves a death sentence (as Obama has learned recently, with his less-than-stellar relationship with Benyamin Netanyahu and suggesting that the Jewish state give back some land to the Palestinians).

There is no doubt that in the old testament God promised a land for Abram and “his seed” – the land of Israel / Jacob (ארץ ישראל).

“On the same day, the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, ‘I will give this land to your seed, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates.’”
– Genesis 15:18 LXX

Anyone with a map of the middle east and a small dose of common sense can see, of course, that the modern Jewish state only occupies a fraction of this area. Immediately, then, it should be clear we’re not talking about the entire area of land promised to Abram’s seed by the Lord when we speak of the nation of Israel today.

However, this brings up a point of contention for the Zionists (those who believe that Palestine is a land promised to the Jews by God and that they must be given the entirety of this land and given full sovereignty over it, etc.): there is still some land “owed” to the Jews by God.

This begs the question, though: Has Israel at any point enjoyed the entirety of the land promised to them by God? If so, then there’s less thrust behind such an argument. Guess what? They have:

“So the Lord gave Israel all the land He had sworn to give to their fathers; and they took possession of it and dwelt in it […] Not a word failed of any good thing the Lord had spoken to the children of Israel. All came to pass.”
– Joshua 21:47,49 LXX

So one can see, quite clearly, that the promises God made regarding the ancient land of Israel had been fulfilled in their entirety. “Not a word failed” and there are no “outstanding” promises waiting to be fulfilled in regards to the land of Israel by God. Along the same lines, King Solomon also declared: “Blessed be the Lord this day, who gave rest to His people Israel, just as He promised. Not one word has failed of all His good words He spoke through His servant Moses” (III Kingdoms 8:55 LXX).

The Lord faithfully gave the land of Israel to His chosen people, the descendants of those He saved from the hands of Egypt through the Holy Prophet Moses’ intercession and leadership (a mixed multitude, not any single “race” of people, by way of reminder). To say otherwise is to deny the words of the Scriptures.

Since it is a matter of Scriptural and historical record that Israel no longer has possession of this land (not even today, assuming that the “Jews” in “Israel” are one-and-the-same as those referenced in the old testament – they are not), it must be investigated whether or not this means the original promises of God to Abram have been abrogated or if God still “owes” this land to the Jews.

The Lord’s words to King Solomon helps one understand the nature of these promises of land (and “nationhood”) to Israel:

“Now if you walk before Me as your father David walked, with integrity of heart and in uprightness, and you do everything I commanded him and keep My statutes and My judgments, then I will establish the throne of your kingdom over Israel forever, as I said to David your father, saying, ‘There shall not fail a man to be ruler in Israel.’

But if you or your sons turn from Me and do not keep My commandments and My statutes Moses set before you, but go and serve other gods and worship them, then I will cut off Israel from the land I gave them. I will cast from My sight this house which I made holy by My name. Israel will be destroyed, and will become but prattle among the peoples. As for this exalted house, everyone who passes by it will be astonished, and will hiss and say, ‘Why did the Lord do this to this land and to this house?’ Then they will answer, ‘Because they forsook the Lord their God, who brought their fathers out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage, and they embraced other gods and worshiped and served them. That is why the Lord brought all this calamity on them.’”
– III Kingdoms 9:4-9 LXX

And the rest, as they say, is history.

Israel was soon abandoning the promises of God and worshiping false gods, and the Lord stuck to His word and drove them out of their land into exile and the temple was destroyed (to be rebuilt later). “All bets were off” at this point, and Israel was on a downward spiral towards the great Day of the Lord (fulfilled in the Incarnation and parousia of Christ).

The apocalyptic literature of the Holy Prophets and the eschatological expectation of a coming Messiah was the only hope left for the people of Israel, and the predictions and ruminations on His coming were at a fever pitch all the way up until the birth of Jesus (e.g. the Holy Prophets DanielEzekiel and Jeremiah, the Wisdom of Sirach, the Wisdom of Solomon and apocalyptic literature like 2 Enoch, all of which speak of the coming Messiah, the resurrection and the restoration of Israel on the great Day of the Lord).

Of course, the ultimate rejection of God by the Jews was the rejection and murder of their own Messiah – Jesus of Nazareth. Because of their “unbelief” – Saint Paul writes – Israel was “cut off” (Epistle to the Romans 11:19) from their standing before God as His chosen people. Salvation has always been by faith (as we see in Abraham) and never because of ethnicity or heritage. Otherwise, the Incarnation, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ were meaningless (and this is the greatest scandal and danger of Zionism). More on this in part three.

The people who were of descendants of Israelites – that is, those who did not receive Christ and become Christians – in their rejection of the Messiah were also rejecting the promise God made to them regarding land and nationhood. “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it” (St Matthew 21:43). This was seen most explicitly in the destruction of Jerusalem and the (second) temple in AD 70 by the Roman armies of Titus. The Jews would never again worship in Jerusalem as they were commanded by God, and the religion (and old covenant) was abrogated and rendered“useless” (as St Paul says in Hebrews) by the new covenant, through Christ.

Finally, it should be noted that the entirety of the Old Testament promises to the people of Israel were never intended to be permanent or the finality of God’s revelation and salvation for His people; they were merely “types” and “shadows” of that which was to come (cf. St Paul’s Epistle to the Hebrews ch. 10) – the new covenant. The promises made to the “seed” of Abram were promises ultimately made to Christians and fulfilled through the Incarnation, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ: “For indeed He does not give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham” (St Paul’s Epistle to the Hebrews 2:16); and this includes the promise of the land of Israel to the seed of Abram, which is also fulfilled in Christ and the new testament Church (again, more on this in the third part); for Christ is truly “the seed” of Abraham (Epistle to the Galatians 3:16).

The land of Israel, Jerusalem, the temple and all of the old covenant were merely shadows and types of what was to come in the new, and in Christ and His Church. There is nothing “special” about the land that was once Israel today (especially the modern Jewish nation-state, which doesn’t occupy the same land as promised to Abram to begin with, and has no temple and no Levitical worship, and no true ‘Jewish’ people), and it was only a type of the “heavenly Jerusalem” and kingdom as found in Jesus Christ and in the Church.

To ascribe sacred and unwavering importance to this land and to the Jewish religion is to Judaize (a heresy, condemned by the Council in Acts of the Apostles, ch. 15, the entirety of St Paul’s Epistle to the Hebrews, and subsequently by other councils and fathers of the Church over the centuries) and abandon the new covenant altogether – it is apostasy and a rejection of the Holy Gospel of Jesus Christ (cf. Epistle to the Hebrews, ch. 6ff).

“But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and Church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.”
– St Paul’s Epistle to the Hebrews 12:22-24

It should be evident, therefore, that the promise made to Abram regarding the land of Israel and the inheritance of his “seed” is a promise of the kingdom of Christ and the Church – an eternal kingdom that “cannot be shaken” (Hebrews 12:28) that is not of this world. Whether Jew or Gentile, this is the Gospel for all and the salvation for all, withoutexception.

In my final post on this topic, I will conclude by discussing the relationship between Israel or the ‘Jews’ and that of the Church (much of which has been hinted at throughout this post).

As always, we should pray for Jews (as well as Zionists), who are deceived into thinking that they are without the need of the Gospel and that our concerns should be with this world, maps, borders and the division of land. Lord, have mercy on us all.

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Part III – Israel: The Church

As I come to my last entry on this subject, I must admit that this is to me the simplest and most straightforward point one could make with regards to Israel. While I grew up in a tradition that wrongly saw the ‘Jews’ of today as “God’s chosen people” and in a place of favor even greater than that of the Church, I now believe the truth – and it seems to be a rather plain one in the Scriptures. I find it hard to understand how people can miss this who claim such an admiration for the Scriptures, but I digress. This isn’t about pointing fingers – I was there once. Lord, have mercy on us all.

So then, the last topic to cover with regards to Israel as the “people of God” is how Israel relates to the Church.

To put it plainly, the Church is Israel; that is, the Church replaces and takes its place as Israel or God’s “chosen people,” called out from the world and set apart as His own.

After all, the word “church” is translated from the Greek ekklesia which literally means “the called-out ones” or “the gathered” assembly. The same people who were called out of the wilderness and into Palestine are those who are called from all the ends of the earth (along with all those in heaven) to worship the Trinity and our risen God as Christians. The people of Israel were not a “separate plan” of redemption and the Church is not an ellipsis in God’s plans for humanity; salvation can be through Christ and through the Faith of Abraham alone.

In fact, we can see plainly in the Scriptures that the worship and prayers of Israel before Christ were insufficient for salvation (Saint Paul calls them “worthless”) – the death and resurrection of Christ was always part of salvation for them (and thus the necessity of Christ descending to Hades to free the captives from the grips of death through the Gospel). The apocalyptic literature of second-temple Judaism points to this quite regularly, as well, but those who reject these Scriptures wouldn’t know this as readily, of course. In doing so, they have played into the hands of the Jews and abandoned the Gospel.

Everything that the Scriptures say about Israel is also said about the Church in the new covenant, without exception. More importantly, however, the things said about Israel and the Church in the Scriptures are not said when applied to disobedient Israelites. There is no “get out of jail free card” for Jews simply because they’re Jews, and “not all Israel is Israel.” This has always been the case, and it is the same today for the Church as the trueIsrael.

For example, God is said to love Israel and they are referred to as His beloved people in the old testament Scriptures in various places. However, for those who are disobedient, God is not pleased and they are not His “beloved” people (cf. Jeremiah 12:8; 16:5, etc.). Indeed, the Church – as the faithful and true descendants of Abraham, in Christ – are now God’s beloved people: “I will sow her to Myself on the earth, and will love her that was not loved, and will say to that which was not My people, ‘You are my people!’ And they shall say, ‘You are the Lord my God!’” (Hosea 2:23 LXX; cf. Romans 9:25).

Again, the Jews are often referred to as God’s “children,” but those who are disobedient and persist in unbelief are no longer God’s children“They sinned; the blameworthy children are not His” (Deuteronomy 32:5 LXX). Jesus himself made this clear, as recounted in St John’s Gospel:

“‘I know that you are Abraham’s descendants, but you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you. I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with your father.’ They answered and said to Him, ‘Abraham is our father.’ Jesus said to them, ‘If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. You do the deeds of your father … You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do.’”
– Gospel According to St John 8:37-41, 44

In this conversation, Jesus points out that the Jews who reject Him as their Messiah (in other words, every Jew alive today and since this point in time) are of the devil, and that God the Father is no longer their father – Satan is. They even accused Jesus of being abastard in this conversation (v. 41b). As an aside, how strange that protestants and evangelicals rely upon the old testament Scriptures of these people (the Masoretic text) who couldn’t even recognize their own Messiah and are – according to Jesus – sons of the devil. It is no wonder that our Father among the Saints, John Chrysostom, once said in a sermon “The synagogues of the Jews are the homes of idolatry and the devil, even though they have no images in them … the Jews do not worship God, but the devil” (Eight Homilies Against the Judaizers, Sermon I:3). If this is “hate speech,” then the first stone must be cast against Christ himself, perhaps the world’s first “antisemite” according to modern definitions of such things. Who will throw that stone?

Israel is, of course, also referred to as the “kingdom of God” in the Scriptures. And yet, those who are unfaithful or reject God (as did all ‘Jews’ that did not become Christians) are no longer a part of this kingdom. In the words of the famous “antisemite,” Jesus:

“‘Assuredly, I say to you, I have not found such great faith, not even in Israel! And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into Gehenna. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth’”
Gospel According to St Matthew 8:10-12

So if the Jews that rejected Christ are not of this kingdom, who is? The true sons of Abraham – Christians“He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins” (St Paul’s Epistle to the Colossians 1:13-14). The “kingdom of God” has been taken from the faithless of Israel and given to the true Israel – to Christians (cf. St Matthew 21:43).

Given the title of these posts, it should be obvious that Israel or ‘the Jews’ are also often referred to as the “people of God.” In the same manner as all the previous titles mentioned here, however, those that are unfaithful and follow after other gods (as with the Jews who rejected Christ) are no longer God’s people“Call his name Lo-Ammi, for you are not My people, and I am not your God” (Hosea 1:9 LXX). Faithful, Orthodox Christians, on the other hand, are most assuredly God’s people: “… our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works” (St Paul’sEpistle to Titus 2:13-14).

The faithful of Israel were called God’s “vineyard,” “priests,” the “wife” or “bride” of God, the “circumcised” and “the chosen people” – just as the Church is in the new testament Scriptures. We even see that, in most cases, these references in the old testament were in fact meant for the Church and are seen in greatest fulfillment in the life of the Church –not in the shadows of the old covenant. The Apostles saw no “disconnect” or “separate plan” for the Church than that of Israel – all that was said of Israel by God was immediately and without question applied to Christians, from the very beginning of the Church, and as clearly seen in the new testament Scriptures.

As has been alluded to several times already in these posts, the Church and Her Christians are the true “children of Abraham,” while disobedient Israelites (those who have rejected Christ) are not:

“For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter, whose praise is not from men but from God […] A man is justified by faith apart from the works of the Torah. Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also, since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith […] And he [Abraham] received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be counted for them also.”
– St Paul’s Epistle to the Romans 2:28-29; 3:28-30; 4:11

There is no way that one can conclude from the Scriptures that to be a Jew is a matter merely of ethnicity or nationality. The true Jews are the faithful sons of Abraham, who have the circumcision of the heart through the Grace of the Holy Spirit; the true Jews are Christians and the new covenant has fulfilled and abrogated the old.

Jewish people have rejected their own Prophet from among their people; their own Messiah and salvation from God: “And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people” (Acts 2:23; cf. Deuteronomy 18:15,18-19). In so doing, they have ceased to be the children of Abraham and this is now applied to the Church of Jesus Christ.

“Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, ‘In you all the nations shall be blessed.’ So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.”
St Paul’s Epistle to the Galatians 3:7-9

St Paul is adamant that anyone who chooses Jewish identity or nationality over the Church and the faith of Abraham “apart from the works of the Torah” (i.e. the worship and temple rites of Israel in the old covenant) has abandoned the Gospel and is following a false one (cf. Galatians 1:6-7). This is the primary theme of his epistles to Galatia and the Hebrews, after all: There is only one Gospel and one plan of salvation for God’s people, whether “Jew” or “Gentile,” slave or free, male or female (cf. Galatians 3:28); “And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise” (Galatians 3:29).

To be a Christian is to be a Jew – and vice versa – in the truest sense of the words. It was always the case in Israel that to be “of Israel” was to be faithful and to trust in the Lord. Likewise, it has always been the case that to be a Christian is to be faithful to Christ and His commandments. Those who identified Israel along national or ethnic lines – or even along the lines of old covenant worship and ceremony – were condemned as in error by both Christ and His Apostles. Faith is the key, and has always been the key.

Finally, we know that the new covenant in Christ is not something exclusively for the Gentiles because it was given to the Jews first. In other words, there are not separate “plans” for salvation – one for the Jews as God’s “chosen people” and another for the Christians as a sort of “interruption” to God’s redemption of Israel in history. To believe in separate plans for salvation or to claim that the Gospel is not for the Jews today is to deny the Gospel and abandon Christ; to make His Incarnation, death and resurrection wholly unnecessary for the whole world.

“‘Behold, days are coming,’ says the Lord, ‘when I shall make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not according to the covenant I made with their fathers in the day I took hold of their hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; for they did not abide in My covenant, and I disregarded them,’ says the Lord.”
Jeremiah 38:31-32 LXX

This “new covenant” was made with the house of Israel, as the Prophet intimates above. “But,” you will say, “isn’t this a covenant with the Church?” Exactly. Israel is the Church and the Church is Israel. This “new covenant” is a covenant with the true people of God by faith and is one that supersedes and replaces the old: “But now He has obtained a much more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second” (St Paul’sEpistle to the Hebrews 8:6-7).

Does St Paul leave a place for the old covenant to remain between God and the “Jews,” even in light of the dawn of Christianity? For the Jews to remain as God’s “chosen people,” despite the rise of the Church and the destruction of the Temple and the old covenant’s ceremonies and rituals in the first century (AD 68-70)?  “In that He says, ‘A new covenant,’ He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away” (Hebrews 8:13).

There are numerous other references and citations I could provide that clearly show the abrogation of the old covenant in the establishment of the new as well as the fact that the Church is the true Israel and that the Jews are no longer God’s “chosen people” apart from Christ. I hope that what I have provided above is enough to at least get you headed in the right direction if you have been led astray by false teaching in today’s evangelical gatherings or by the tenets of Zionism.

I hope that I’ve successfully made a case for the fact that “Jews” are not God’s people and that they are in need of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the Mysteries of the Church just like anyone else. Those that have rejected Christ and created a religion around the “traditions of men” and anti-Christian sentiments are emphatically not the chosen people, and I can think of no one else in this world that needs the Gospel more. To refuse to tell them of their unfaithfulness or to blindly support a nation that has committed more inhumane acts of terrorism than any other state (with the exception of the United States) is unacceptable as Christians, and we must not be led astray any longer, but cling to the Gospel and its truth – no matter how hard it might be to hear it for those who remain in darkness while the light shines brightly upon them.

And so, I will conclude this brief series with a quote from one of St John Chrysostom’s homilies against the Jews (many in his day were in danger of apostasy, by celebrating the feasts of the Jews as Christians, and he devoted several sermons to criticizing this practice). We must never be proud because we have received the Grace of God in the Gospel; we must stand fast, and cling to Christ through faithfulness. Otherwise, we’ll be no better off than those who rejected their Messiah and had him put to death. Lord, have mercy on us all!

“But do not be surprised that I called the Jews pitiable. They really are pitiable and miserable. When so many blessings from heaven came into their hands, they thrust them aside and were at great pains to reject them. The morning Sun of Justice arose for them, but they thrust aside its rays and still sit in darkness. We, who were nurtured by darkness, drew the light to ourselves and were freed from the gloom of their error. They were the branches of that holy root, but those branches were broken. We had no share in the root, but we did reap the fruit of godliness. From their childhood they read the prophets, but they crucified him whom the prophets had foretold. We did not hear the divine prophecies but we did worship him of whom they prophesied. And so they are pitiful because they rejected the blessings which were sent to them, while others seized hold of these blessing and drew them to themselves. Although those Jews had been called to the adoption of sons, they fell to kinship with dogs; we who were dogs received the strength, through God’s grace, to put aside the irrational nature which was ours and to rise to the honor of sons.”
– St John Chrysostom, Against the Jews, Homily I:II:1

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2. riya - December 26, 2012

Apart from all the truth that this website contains which many believers are being woken up to, I was wondering why you use a constant barrage of sun god worship imagery, replete with sun disc halos????? These are not pictures of Jesus, but satanic representations, how can you people be so ignorant of the fact that this is the spirit of anti christ at work in your fellowship???????????

The Prodigal Son - December 26, 2012

“Sun god worship imagery, replete with sun disc halos…”

There is no ‘sun god worship imagery’ here on this site. There are no ‘sun disc’ halos anywhere.

You are mistaken.

The halo in Orthodox Christian iconography has nothing to do with sun discs or sun gods.

3. riya - December 28, 2012

It’s ancient pagan representations of sun god worship as well you know and blatant idolatry, clearly you have no understanding of scripture and no fear of The Lord, The halo is an exact representation of all ancient sun god worship including baal, mithras, nimrod, tammuz. neptune etc….and countless other gods of satan. Genisis 35 v 2, Deut. 12 v 30-31, Deut. 4 v19, Psalm 106 v 36, isaiah 45 v 16, Ezekiel 14 v 3, Habakkuk 2 v 18……………etc. etc. Clearly you have no concern for your own soul, or for the soul of others that you are leading astray.

The Prodigal Son - December 28, 2012

I repeat: You are mistaken.

Even if Baal, Mithras, Nimrod, etc were depicted in imagery with halos – it does not mean that halos in Christian iconography represent sun god worship!

Show me an image of Baal or Mithras or Nimrod, etc with a halo. Can you?

Here’s an icon of Jesus Christ:

Jesus Christ

Is this ‘sun god’ worship? NO.

This image does not depict a sun god. This image clearly depicts Jesus Christ.

Does the halo indicate or represent sun god worship? NO.

“He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun…”
– Matthew 17

It represents His holiness, and the Cross within declares Him to be the I AM, affirming His divinity.

“He is the icon of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.”
– Colossians chapter 1

How you get ‘sun god’ worship from an icon of Jesus Christ is beyond me!

4. riya - December 28, 2012

The word in the KJV Bible, which, as you ought also to know, if you had discernment, is the only reliable translation… v 15 says ‘ Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature ..’ Also in the case of an icon the picture itself is considered to be sacred and therefore worshipped, you actually think that worshipping an icon is scriptual, whereas to do such a thing is is an abomination to the Lord. Even if it was ok to paint a picture of Jesus, which it is not, since there were no photos in those days, how can anyone seriously believe that jesus looks like these icons? Exodus 34 ‘But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images and cut down their groves..’
John 4 v 24 ‘God is a spirit and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and truth.’ No where in scripture does it tell us to paint a picture of Jesus and worship that icon, rather we are warned against such practices. I hope that you do come to true repentence and fear of The Lord, otherwise He will reject you, because you did not love the truth but believed in a lie.

The Prodigal Son - December 28, 2012

Oh I see… You’re one of those ‘KJV ONLY’ people.

The word in the KJV Bible, which, as you ought also to know, if you had discernment, is the only reliable translation… v 15 says ‘ Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature ..’

If I had discernment?

You do realize that the Scriptures were penned in Greek right?

The word ‘image’ was translated from the Greek word – wait for it – Eikon.

Also in the case of an icon the picture itself is considered to be sacred and therefore worshipped, you actually think that worshipping an icon is scriptual, whereas to do such a thing is is an abomination to the Lord.

“As every Orthodox Christian knows, the first act of the faithful upon entering a Church is to take a candle, light it and put it on a candlestand that is placed next to the proskynetarion or icon-stand on which is set the icon representing the sacred person, persons or event specially celebrated by the particular church and after whom or which it is named.

Then he bows before the icon, making the sign of the cross, and kisses the icon, saying a brief prayer. This series of acts is called veneration or ‘honorable reverence’ of the icon. It is not an act of worshiping the icon. The Greek Church Fathers distinguish very sharply between ‘honorable reverence’ (timetike proskynesis), which is accorded to icons, and ‘worship’ (latreia). Worship is accorded only to God.

Further, they emphasize that the veneration which we give to a holy icon goes to the prototype which it represents, for example, to Christ, to the Theotokos, to some martyr or other saint. In the words of Basil the Great, which have been repeated by John Damascene and other defenders of the icons, “the honor which is given to the icon passes over to the prototype” (he time tes eikonos eis to prototypon diabainei). The prototype honored is in the last analysis God, as God created man in His own image.”

See here

The icon itself is not worshiped. All worship or veneration passes on to the one depicted in the icon.

Even if it was ok to paint a picture of Jesus, which it is not, since there were no photos in those days…

But if there had been cameras then – someone could have taken a photo of God.

Since God (the Son) became incarnate, He can be depicted in icons because He became flesh and walked among us.

Exodus 34 ‘But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images and cut down their groves..’

So then ALL images must be broken according to you? Don’t be so silly!

The images spoken of in this verse from Exodus WERE NOT images of the True God!

And why didn’t you quote the entire verse anyway? Here is the bit you left off:

“… and you shall burn the graven images of their gods with fire (for you shall worship no other god, for the Lord God, a jealous name , is a jealous God)…”

Icons do not depict any “other god”. Icons depict the one God; the eternal Son of God, Jesus Christ, and His blessed mother Mary, and the Saints of His Church.

Can you seriously not see the difference between the literal worship of something that IS NOT God and the veneration of an icon representing God?

5. riya - December 29, 2012

Matthew 15 v 7-9 ‘Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying. this people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. But in vain do they worship Me, teaching for doctrines the COMMANDMENTS OF MEN…. Mark 7 v 9 ‘And Jesus said unto them full well ye reject the commandment of God, that YE MAY KEEP YOUR OWN TRADITION.’ v14 ‘ Let them alone, they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.’

GOODBYE I have said enough, you have been warned.

The Prodigal Son - December 30, 2012

Now you’re just going to randomly quote Scripture at me? You think Isaiah prophesied about me?

Commandments of men? What commandments? What men?

These are not my own traditions. The Apostles were men but their teachings were of God – not of men.

God Himself appointed the Apostles of His Church. Here’s St. Luke painting an icon:

St. Luke painting Christ and the Theotokos

“Stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.”
– II Thessalonians 2:9-15

Here, read this too: A Note to Everyone Who Would Call Me an Idolater

6. Allen - August 27, 2013

Many who have been infected by Protestant rhetoric, and who tend to reject Church Tradition on the grounds of “sola scriptura”, are eager to attack Christ’s Church as having incorporated pagan practices into its worship and belief. Little do they realize the true meaning of Christ’s words “I came not to destroy, but to fulfill”. Although God the Father established his explicit covenant with Abraham, God the Holy Spirit has prepared and continues to prepare all mankind for the reception of the Universal and Eternal Covenant in God the Son, Jesus Christ.

Such people argue that “pagan”, “heathen” or “gentile” means “of the devil”, and that all that was known or done by the pagans was inherently evil. Yet, if there were no truth in the pagans, what would there have been for Satan to pervert? Just because the Zionists of today teach that the Gentiles are sub-human and inherently evil does not make it so. All people are of God. The Fall of Man resulted in his being unable – without the assistance of the Word or Logos, which is Christ – to distinguish truth – towards which he is always moved by the Holy Spirit – from falsity – towards which he is always moved by Satan. The result was (and is) the myriad of pagan or heathen (“gentile”) religious traditions, which often contain the seeds of truth but are just as often perverted by the consequences of sin. The Blood of Christ purifies not only the Jew, but also the Gentile. His Church perceives what is sent by the Holy Spirit to the Gentile Nations and purifies it in the Light of Christ, casting aside the evil with which it has been infected. As it says in Ephesians 1:9-10:

“He has let us know the mystery of his purpose, according to his good pleasure which he determined beforehand in Christ, for him to act upon when the times had run their course: that he would bring everything together under Christ, as head, everything in the heavens and everything on earth.”

Thus, let no one accuse the Church of “mixing” paganism and Christianity – especially not on the grounds of Old Testament scripture – for it is the express mission of Christ and His Church to renew all things in Him.

The Prodigal Son - September 8, 2013

All people are of God.

No. They’re not.

Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me.

Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do.

– Jesus Christ, Gospel of St. John, Chapter 8

The Blood of Christ purifies not only the Jew, but also the Gentile.

How do you figure the blood of Christ purifies the Jew?

First – the Jew (like anyone else) must believe that Jesus is the Christ; the Messiah of Israel, and enter His Church.

He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
– Mark 16:16

He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
– John 3:18

He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.
– John 3:36

Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.
– John 8:24

Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, “How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.”

Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me. But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you.

My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
– John 10:24-28

I want to remind you… that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.
– Jude 1:5

7. Allen - September 12, 2013

Surely you would agree with me that all people were created by God. And surely you would agree that Christ was sent, not merely to the Jews, but to all men everywhere. Thus, my saying “All people are of God”. Is this to say that all will remain with God, that all will hear his call and join in his worship? Certainly not. But that all come from God, and that all are called by God – this much is certain.

Is there salvation without Christ? Absolutely not. This, too, is certain.

The greatest hindrance for typical modern Hebrews who practice post-temple Rabbinical Judaism in coming to Christ’s Church and accepting him as the promised Messiah is that they are worried that they must give up their Hebrew identity in order to do so. There are many in the Church who think this must happen, too. Frequently quoted is Galatians 3:27-29:

“For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free person, there is not male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendant, heirs according to the promise.”

Indeed, in Christ there is no difference between Jew and Gentile, just as there is no difference between male and female. But we must be careful in how we interpret these words. What did the Apostle Paul mean? Obviously, he did not mean that there is no longer a distinction between man and woman according to the flesh – for this distinction remains perfectly clear to all – but that there is – in Christ – no longer any distinction between man and woman according to the spirit. Christ did not destroy the genders, he purified and renewed them, and we celebrate their union in the holy sacrament of matrimony. In the same way, we can understand the contrast between “Jew”, i.e. “Hebrew”, and “Greek”, i.e. “Gentile”, made above. They are made one according to the spirit through Christ. But, they are not made one according to the flesh.

One great sin of the Hebrews was in believing that, by virtue of their being children of Abraham according to the flesh, God would grant them salvation. Those Hebrews today who persist in this most grievous error are, indeed, ‘of their father, the devil’ (John 8:24). The Apostle Paul makes the distinction between the ethnic Hebrews (children of Abraham according to the flesh) and the religious Jews (children of Abraham according to the promise of faith) clear in Romans 2:28-29:

“One is not a Jew outwardly. True circumcision is not outward, in the flesh. Rather, one is a Jew inwardly, and circumcision is of the heart, in the spirit, not the letter; his praise is not from human beings but from God.”

That is, while the Hebrews – who often call themselves “Jews” but are, nonetheless, “false Jews” – circumcise the flesh, the Jews – the “true Jews” – circumcise the heart. They follow the letter Spirit of God’s Law – which was forever revealed in Christ.

Now, if the Hebrew Catholic today circumcises because he believes the act to bring salvation, he sins grievously, for salvation comes from Christ alone. Also, if he circumcises because he fears transgressing the Law of Moses, he sins grievously, for Christ has fulfilled the Law. This was made very clear at the Council of Florence. But what of one who circumcises out of out of cultural tradition? The Apostle Paul – himself a Hebrew (Philippians 3:5) – made it a point to circumcise Timothy (Acts 16:1-3), who was born of a Hebrew mother, while he refused to let Titus, who was of Greek descent, be circumcised (Galatians 2:3-5).

How should we understand this? The Apostle Paul circumcised Timothy out of the respect of the cultural tradition of the Hebrews – not out of fear of transgressing the Law of Moses, and not out of a belief in the practice itself having any salvific power. As the Apostle Paul himself says in 1 Galatians 9:20:

“To the Jews, I became like a Jew to win over Jews; to those under the law I became like one under the law – though I myself am not under the law – to win over those under the law”.

That is, the Apostle Paul “became like a Jew” – and, by analogy, had Timothy circumcised – not because he had fallen back into Judaism, or because he still held the Law of Moses to possess any salvific power, but merely in order to bring his fellow Hebrews to faith in Christ.

When I say that “the Blood of Christ purifies the Jew”, in no way do I mean to imply that a Rabbinical Jew can remain a Jew and have salvation without believing in the Son. But I do mean to say that persons of Hebrew descent – who are so commonly referred to as “Jews” today – are by no means excluded from God’s salvific plan. The Holy Spirit – despite the machinations of Satan – continues to work among the Hebrews so that they, too, will eventually recognize Christ as their Savior.

I apologize for any misunderstanding.

8. XtreemMetalman - January 29, 2014

Why your religious, Conservative Eastern Orthodoxy and opposition to the “Christian heresy” of Evangelical Christian Zionism which obviously contradicts wanting Jews to convert and is incorrect morally leads you to oppose a Two-State Peace Plan, to deny “Jewish” exists or to appraise Nazi Fascism, eludes me.

Why would opposing Zionism mean saying Jews aren’t “Jewish?” To say Askenazim shouldn’t live there?

But Palestinians are opposed to being dominated by them and kicked out, not living with them. And Zionism is political. Religious Zionism, Revisionist Zionism, and Labor Zionism exist. Historically, Orthodox Judaism was opposed to Zionists

9. XtreemMetalman - January 29, 2014

Christian scripture and writings does not say Secular Jews Fighting Arabs are holy. So Christian Zionism is false.

But to conflate that with saying Modern Jews are not related historically is false. Palestine has been home to many peoples, Jews and Arabs included.

The Prodigal Son - June 26, 2015

You really believe that white-skinned ‘Jews’ are related to the original Judahites or to the New Testament Judeans?

If a bunch of Chinamen converted to Islam would that magically make them Arabs?

The Prodigal Son - June 26, 2015

Who said I oppose a two state peace plan? I believe both peoples should have their own sovereign states, and that both should stay within their own borders, at peace.

Good fences make good neighbors as they say.

The word ‘Jewish’ is a made-up English language construction. Are they of Judah? Are they Judeans? No.

Do they practice the anti-Christ religion of the Pharisees? Yes. Practicing the Pharisaic religion does not make one magically into a Hebrew.

Palestinians are not opposed to living with Jews? How many Jews are within Palestinian territories then?

Historically some people said good things about German National Socialism too… What of it? National Socialists also supported Zionism because it meant getting those Jews to leave Germany.

If ‘Zionism’ means ‘Jewish’ nationalism, and that all of the ‘Jews’ will leave & go to their own state immediately — then I’m all for it. Count me as pro-Zionist.

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